ok, I have one for Alan and Brent Casey...

[tubedude]

How about getting a no holds barred 3-micron line (say, the D series) going? I'm talking all components, and I mean everything, to the highest possible standard. If it is a transformer based (which would be cool) then use the BEST Jensen transformer available. Maybe make them all class A electronics with nothing but top notch components with no compromises in the signal flow ANYWHERE, and get them out there for good prices. Cut corners on the packaging and whatever else that doesnt really matter. I'll take a plain brown box anyday. Consider maybe buying capsules from B.L.U.E (a few top line esoteric mic guys were buying capsules from them, I wont say who) and then QC the hell out of them for a nice line that matches well across the board.
Maybe get some small diapragms of this quality out there too. From the looks of it, alot of mods (say, the MXL-2001 mod) done by Dorsey or Royer, arent all that much more expensive, and many of us wonder why we cant get them that way in the 1st place.
Also for Brent... what can you tell me about that new Marshall tube mic, the newest one? I heard rumour that it WAS based around the Royer thing that he published on the MXL-2001, with a better capsule. Any truth to this?
And last, what would be a good upgrade or two for the V67? Any better transformers out there? And better parts to change out?
Thanks for your help, and tell me what you thing about my ideas. I've heard Dorsey and others talking about how it would only cost about $30 extra in many cases to upgrade many common electronics in mics, a little more than that for higher grade, better spec'ed capsules. I would definately pay the extra for that Royer version. Many of us would.
Peace!

 

[ausrock]

Tube,

Some interesting ideas there.................but I think you will stand more chance of an answer if you post these questions over at Alan's forum on RO.com. Also, as I understand it, Brent is flat out like a lizard drinking, so he may not have much time initially.

It's just a shame that the anti-Hyatt zealots got their way............let's hope they don't treat Brent in a similar fashion.

 

[Gidge]

I know ill probably get lumped with the "anti-Hyatt zealots" but i am not anti Alan or anti SP......

I just dont see why if theres a specific question to a specific manufacturer, why not email them?.....

 

[Whoopysnorp]

I know ill probably get lumped with the "anti-Hyatt zealots" but i am not anti Alan or anti SP......

I just dont see why if theres a specific question to a specific manufacturer, why not email them?.....

Perhaps because others of us find the question interesting and would like to know the answer.

 

[Michael Jones]

Perhaps because others of us find the question interesting and would like to know the answer.

I'll second that.
I don't understand why some people have such a problem with manufacturers comming to this board and posting.
If you don't like their topics, don't read their posts. Unfortunately, due to the actions of some, this board now has a reputation of running off reputable and knowledgeable manufacturer's representatives.
What a shame.

 

[jitteringjim]

Also, as I understand it, Brent is flat out like a lizard drinking...

Aus, could you please translate that for us?

 

[jeap]

lizards lie down whilst drinking.

brent is flat out.

therefore he must be busy taking a nap????


who chased alan away and why? was somebody being mean?

 

[ausrock]

ROFLMAO.................just a little aussie colloquialism, meaning that Brent is apparently extremely busy settling into his new position as well as getting ready for NAMM.

 

[ausrock]

Jeap,

It's a long story, but suffice it to say that some people frequently took exception to Alan's manner of answering question round here.

Although it's now history and better left that way, the actions of a few people have deprived the majority of Alan's experience and advice.

 

[chessrock]

who chased alan away and why? was somebody being mean?

Yea, I guess some hecklers were being mean to the guy. Alan didn't like it so he vowed never to post here again . . . unless he has a new product to pimp.

 

[jeap]

well then.

ok.

i will tell you all what we really need. there can be no argument over this.

we already have microphones that are regular tube designs from germany but they are manufactured in china.

what we need is regular tube design PREAMPS made in china! we need copies of avalon and universal audio and manley and all that stuff for 500$ for a 2 channel instead of 2000$.

that is what we need.

the closest we have so far is the behringer vintager but i dont think thats a regular tube design. it just looks like one!

we want really good sounding all tube signal paths and we want them for cheap!!!!!!!!

 

[H2oskiphil]

Yea, I guess some hecklers were being mean to the guy. Alan didn't like it so he vowed never to post here again . . . unless he has a new product to pimp.

Well.....that should give you part of the answer to the "Who chased Alan away?" question...

Chess-maybe you should start your OWN BBS. That way YOU can control who posts and what they say. And you wouldn't have to worry about protecting the rest of us from "spam"...and chasing away valuable contributors, at the same time.

Who's next on your list?

 

[chessrock]

we want really good sounding all tube signal paths and we want them for cheap!!!!!!!!

Well, we've already got the Bellari. Unfortunately, to keep the costs down, they had to use cheap parts . . . cheap input transformer, cheap tubes, cheap opamps, etc.

I think the Peavey vmp2 is pretty close to what you're asking for, although I don't think they make it in China. What you're asking for is pretty interesting, but unfortunately, you might be asking for a little much. It costs money to make really good stuff like that, I assume.

 

[chessrock]

Chess-maybe you should start your OWN BBS. That way YOU can control who posts and what they say. And you wouldn't have to worry about protecting the rest of us from "spam"...and chasing away valuable contributors, at the same time.

Who's next on your list?

I've already considered that as a means to bring back public beheadings, stonings, and floggings. You better be thankful you aren't saying that kind of stuff on my bbs, buddy, or I'd be getting a big barrel of tar stirred up with "H2O" written accross the front of it.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Yea, I guess some hecklers were being mean to the guy. Alan didn't like it so he vowed never to post here again . . . unless he has a new product to pimp.

Damn, that was so uncalled for. That is exactly the kind of post that makes me question why I post here. I don't understand black and white pronouncements about people's motives for posting information on this board. Yes, of course Alan thinks his mics are good values and his New Jersey background is gonna make sure that he says it in no uncertain terms.

But he's a lot more than that, if people would give Alan a chance and get to know him a little better. He's a pretty damn good engineer and a pretty decent human being. He's been around this business for a lotta years and knows a lot of people and recording tricks we all could have benefited from, if we didn't spend so much time attacking him for his posts.

When Alan first started posting here, he saw it as an opportunity to advertise his mics, but after getting beat up a few times, he learned, and made his post more informational and helpful, but some people wouldn't forget his earlier posts and just kept harping on them, over and over, till he finally left.

The fact that Brent Casey now works for Alan should be important news for everybody here who owns an MXL or SP mic. Brent can tell us what's wrong and what's right about the MXLs, and he'll be able to tell us a lot more about the design of the SP stuff, without the "attitude" that some of you find disturbing in Alan's posts.

The fact that Alan posted here and clarified a few points about Bren't role isn't "pimping" to me, and if he's decided to post here again ocassionally, that doesn't make him a "liar" in my book because he said he wouldn't post here again.

The people here who feel they must alert us to spam don't help when they drive off some truly knowledgable people who never get a fair chance to contribute that knowledge.

I suppose when I recommended the Behringer ECM8000, that could be considered "spamming", even though I don't know anyone at Behringer, have never talked to anyone at Behringer, and bought my ECM8000s from 8th street music, just like everybody else here, and paid what everybody else paid for them.

I'm friends with Stephen Paul, Alan Hyatt, Brent Casey, Taylor Johnson, Karl Winkler, Brad Lunde, Tom Cramm, Dan Kennedy, Mark McQuilkin, Fletcher, EveAnna Manley, George Massenburg, Al Schmitt, and a bunch of other people in the industry. Maybe that makes me a "pimp" too, if I recommend some of the stuff they make.

The music business is pretty small; if you run off the "giants", pretty soon all you'll have left is "the blind leading the blind". If that's what you want ("Hey, I just bought xyz mic and even though it's my only mic, it's the best mic you can buy for vocals and guitar."), then you deserve the information you get from those resources.

Yeah, I'm not being particularly politically correct, and yeah, "We're all equal here", but I've found that in real life, some people are "more" equal than others. When I want information, I wanna get it from whoever has the most knowledge about it. If we drive those people off, who's left?

 

[chessrock]

I'm friends with Stephen Paul, Alan Hyatt, Brent Casey, Taylor Johnson, Karl Winkler, Brad Lunde, Tom Cramm, Dan Kennedy, Mark McQuilkin, Fletcher, EveAnna Manley, George Massenburg, Al Schmitt, and a bunch of other people in the industry. Maybe that makes me a "pimp" too, if I recommend some of the stuff they make.

It's not pimping because you don't work for them, nor do you own their companies, nor do you have any financial benefits to be gained by it. I realize I'm playing with fire by disagreeing with you Harvey, but think about what you're saying. When was the last time you posted here inviting everyone to record at Indian Trail because you have the best rates, best gear, etc.?

I completely understand what you have said, though, about him being excited and giddy about his new products. I would probably be that way, too, if I owned a company and we came out with a product I was excited about. Or if my band released a new CD I'd be telling everyone about it. I'd be like a little school girl. Now that I understand his motives better, I definitely cut the guy some slack. But I'd think a New Yorker would be able to take a little good natured ribbing every now and then. I get much worse pleasantries from them when I visit their city.

 

[knowdoubt]

Why does anybody need this? Why should companies that INVEST in R&D and take the RISK of bringing new product to the market get ripped off by backwards engineering? Just so you can have an IMITATION of a high-end piece?

This is a really great idea until the job they ship to China tomorrow BELONGS TO YOU TODAY.

I suggest you guys add a couple books to your reading list. Try these:

ONE WORLD READY OR NOT by William Greider

Anything written by Michael Parenti or Noam Chomsky

I hear ya man, but you're dreamin' if you think you can fight it at the consumer level with some kind of consumer army movement.
The consumer inevitably becomes co-conspirator since by nature all are in competition with each other in the life struggle, so any unfair advantage is naturally seized upon by the masses out of fear & necessity to not be placed at an unfair disadvantage.

Sad but true.

-SD Simpson-

 

[alanhyatt]

But I'd think a New Yorker would be able to take a little good natured ribbing every now and then. I get much worse pleasantries from them when I visit their city.

Your ribbing "never" stops...end of story. You are relentless, and as such you have turned away many people from here. Maybe Brent should not even come here with the insensitivity you display on this group. My guess is after that post you made, you are getting very close to running of Harvey as well. Perhaps then you will be happy!

As Harvey said, I was a clueless newbie about the rules of the road on these BBS's. Once I understood, I only answered questions, or gave my opinions based upon my experience, but you never let it go. That is harassment, not ribbing.

Your "pimp" remark was uncalled for and if we were in New York, my supporters would run you out of town. I am surprised this thread has not told you where to go because you are destroying it for the others. I don't like censorship, and you are entitled to your opinions, but there is a difference between harassment and censorship.

Lastly, when have you or Gidge ever cut me some slack? That is why I am gone, and that is why you will drive away guys like Harvey soon enough.

So, until you and your sidekick can prove otherwise, I am gone. To the rest of the group, please spend some time with us at RO, where I would love to answer Tubedudes questions along with many of the others, but I won't answer them here until Chessrock and his sidekick can prove that they can act civilly.

Good luck to you all.

Alan Hyatt

 

[chessrock]

Alright, I'm sorry Alan.

So what do you think about the reverse-engineering discussion C7 and knowdoubt have going on? Any thoughts?

How about the other thread I started about drum micing? Let's just try and move on and talk about mics and recording? I'm sorrry I hurt your feelings, Alan.

(BTW, if I know anything about New Yorkers, I doubt they'd be on either of our bandwagons. All I can imagine is people hollering at us both to shut up . . . quit hogging the road . . . get out of the way and various other things I care not to mention. )

 

[Harvey Gerst]

It's not pimping because you don't work for them, nor do you own their companies, nor do you have any financial benefits to be gained by it. I realize I'm playing with fire by disagreeing with you Harvey, but think about what you're saying.

I completely understand what you have said, though, about him being excited and giddy about his new products. I would probably be that way, too, if I owned a company and we came out with a product I was excited about. Or if my band released a new CD I'd be telling everyone about it. Now that I understand his motives better, I definitely cut the guy some slack. But I'd think a New Yorker would be able to take a little good natured ribbing every now and then. I get much worse pleasantries from them when I visit their city.

It is playing with fire, because sometimes (usually much later on, if at all), I DO get some financial benefits; I might get a discount on a product, or they'll let me pay it off over time, or sometimes I may get something free to try. I've agonized over this problem publicly several times about whether it damages my credibility or not.

Does it influence my reviews? Actually no, it doesn't, because I value my reputation for honesty more than I value a discount for a few products. If there are any considerations, I don't even find out about them till after I've posted my findings, which is exactly how I prefer to listen to new products. All I care about is whether a particular product is useful to me as a studio owner first, and then if it's useful to others as a possible "best bang for the buck" item.

I just bought a LittleLabs IBP from Fletcher at Mercenary Audio, and I think it might be a great product for others, but I won't post anything till I try it. But I won't review it unless I find it is a great item. And since I bought it (for my own use) before I review it, I'm not beholding to Jonathan at LittleLabs for a freebie.

I now know Jonathan at Little Labs, since I called him to answer some questions he had about some old JBL speakers that I designed in the 60s, and my answers wouldn't have been practical to post, so I called him.

I helped him out with his problems and if I ever have questions about his stuff, I'm sure I'll probably get some preferential treatment that I didn't look to get, but that's the way this business works. He probably now feels indebted to me because I spent an hour on the phone, explaining the differences in some of the JBL speakers.

I know Hartley Peavey too, and I could probably talk him out of an old VMP-2 prototype, if he had one laying around. But that's not me, and I don't try to take advantage of the friends I've made in the 50+ years I've been in this business.

I value my reputation in the industry and if my ethics came under fire here, I'd probably just quit posting, cuz it's not the kind of subject I like to discuss. If I felt that my reputation was being maligned, I'd simply leave so that there was no further chance to provide ammunition for someone's attack. I'm sure that was one of Alan's reasons for leaving here. It would certainly be the major reason for me to leave.

As to whether I "pimp" for any of these companies, or whether my contributions are valuable here, I'll leave that to the people here to decide. I can only tell you that when I post here, I don't do it for any financial reward or to gain an economic advantage in the future.

I post here because I feel my posts help people learn more about the music business - and that's my only reason for posting. It's my way of giving back to the hundreds of people who helped me over the years.