Ohh....the depths of my ignorance!!!!!!

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O.k. Reel or Ghost.
I need a freakin walk through with the M-30.

I can mix with the Submix section no problem.
This is with Delta44 into 1-4 LINE IN's and my monitors plugged into the Monitor Outs.

Pans are scratchy on 1-3 of the Sub pots but thats just further cleaning.
I'm surprised how clean (not super loud...but plenty) the pre's are in that section.

Curiously only the 3/4 meters register anything in Mon or Sub select....nothing needle-like moves on Buss (metering) select no matter what Buss Assign(s) I push.

So.....I need a step by step for accesing the channel strip with LINE INPUTS :mad: .

I tried to plug the monitors into the Buss Cue Outs and Aux outs and to the Phono Outs (both) and to Submix Outs.

Sub Outs and Monitor Outs are the only thing I can get sound from with my computer pumping 4 descrete audio tracks from the 4 Delta44 outs into the 1st 4 Channel line inputs on the M-30.

I have yet to hear any EQ or fader do anything.

I have NOT plugged in a microphone in yet.
It CANT be that the channel strip is not accessable from the line inputs....that would mean I couldnt use an outboard preamp or buss assign some thing to a compressor and return it to a free channel for post-compression EQ.

Why does this mixer torment me so?????????????????

-mike:confused: :confused: :confused:
 
I think the key to using your board correctly in the way that you want to use it is to not use the SUBMIX section at all.

Put all of those 3 way selector switches in the first position which is labeled PRE and turn all the pots to zero and the sub-mix master volume knob to zero in that right-hand section of the board. This should effectively turn off that section.

Next is to insure that the outputs from your sound-card are still plugged into the tape return inputs on the back of the board on channels 1 - 4 and on the channel strips, ensure that they are in the REMIX position.

Next; press the assign buttons, 1 & 2 on each of the channel strips and move the fader to the hash mark area, (between 7 & 8) on the fader's scale.

Next; Ensure the buss master knobs, (orange color) are set to 7 on the knob's rotary control and that the pan controls are panned hard left and right.

Next; ensure the Master fader, (slide control) is set to unity gain, (hash mark area, 7 - 8)

Next; ensure that all the jumpers are in place in the back of the board on all 8 input channels and in the 4 busses, all marked send and receive.

Next; ensure your monitoring system is connected to the monitor outs and turn the monitor out, volume control, (just above the master fader), to 7 and adjust your external amplification to your desired level.

Next; commence playback of your source material and adjust levels and eq to personal taste and enjoy.

Cheers! :)
 
Yo Poltergeist of Frequency Modulations:

Great reply.

If EM and some other zines would offer step by step assistance, they'd sell more magazines.

Instead, the mags use jargon usually understood by an expert. I have bumped EM about this more than once. But, they do zip.

Green Hornet:D :D :cool:
 
I'm getting closer......

Thanks Ghost.

" Next; ensure that all the jumpers are in place in the back of the board on all 8 input channels and in the 4 busses, all marked send and receive.
"
Wow that opens up a lot of options......hooking up ins and outs on the board itself.......

Sometimes obvious this are not so obvious until someone mentions it and yer like ..DDHHOOOO.

So thats got the Buss controls working for me but......
:( still no Channel EQ or fader access with the sound source at LINE IN or TAPE IN.

When I get home I will plug some mics in and check that deal out.

Thanks for the play by play.....Hornets right......which is why I think the new Tape Op is the best issue of any recording mag I have EVER read for the Michael Brauer(sp?) interview.

But 1st things 1st.

-mike
 
Ohhh PUHLEEESSSZZZEEE help a poor dumb bastard out.

I hooked up a mic to a channel.

I put a jumper from all channel outs into Buss 1.

I can stack the Buss Gain and Master gain (fader) and Monitor gain......and with everything cranked to 11.....the sound is VERY quiet......this is very pleasing.

B U T !!!! still.......no EQ or MUTE or Buss Assign pot or swich has ANY affect on the sound.

How do I...if I may Ghost or Reel or anybody....

...use the damn channel strip?????

I can get sound through submix.
I can get sound through the Buss/main monitor section.
I can jumper both sections together.
I can get cool feedback loops with various combinations of jumpering sections of the board together.

I CANNOT access the channel strip EQ, Mute, or Buss Assign functions.

W T F !!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Its really pissing me off because although I dont always declare otherwise......I really am not a stupid guy.

I just want to HEAR the EQ....especially after hearing how good the gain on this board sounds.

What do I need to do???? please????

Why cant I hear the mic in the monitors simply by plugging it into the channel and turning up the channel fader and then turning up the monitor knob or master fader.

The ASSIGN buttons (which seem to do nothing) are supposed to send the signal from that channel to a group buss.

But how is it determined if the group buss routes to the mix buss or just gets returned to another channel??????

Am I really just staring the obvious right in the face or is this M-30 mixing board counter-intuitive (see...told you I was smart) for a reason??????

-mike
 
I put a jumper from all channel outs into Buss 1.
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I never told you to do this!

The jumpers are to be connected individually, from the send jack to the receive jack of the same strip. We are talking about a one inch jumper here. The ones that should have come with the board when you bought it.

They are not intended to jump from a channel out to a buss in. Your 1 - 4 buttons do that.

Go back and ensure that the jumpers are installed in the way I described and it will work if you follow my first post to the letter and don't deviate from it.

If you do that, everything will work. Trust me.;)

Why your method didn't work is because when you go out from the send jack, you bypass the eq stage and the volume stage too.

The purpose of the ACCESS send receive jumper point is to connect a compressor or effect unit dedicated for processing that specific channel of sound. If no effect is to be used, then the loop must be closed for the signal to continue on to the next section of the strip.

When you leave that loop opened, as you did, you broke the signal chain and thus prevented the sound from traveling through to the eq, mute, pan and level controls. Get it?

I hope so.:D
 
Yup.....I'm stoopid

Thanks.

:o :o :o

I actually didn't get any jumpers with the unit...or manual...obviously.
No big deal though.

So because its not a modern TRS type deal there is no internal switch to normal the connection when there is nothing inserted?

God I'm dumb sometimes.

-mike
 
So because its not a modern TRS type deal there is no internal switch to normal the connection when there is nothing inserted?
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That's correct!

Is it working now?

Cheers! :)
 
Yessir.

Hooked up and sounding good.

No scratchines on the first four channel EQ's.
Boy, I really like a sweepable low.

Now I can get shit rockin.

Thanks enormously for the paitience and know how.

I will be having more questions I'm sure but at least now I can get into "which would be a better way to..." kind of questions instead of "which shoe goes on what foot?" kind of deals.

:cool:

-mike
 
Whatever the question, if I can answer it, I am as pleased and gratified as much as the person who learns something from my experience.

There is a deeply gratifying feeling from helping out your fellow man or women and I take pleasure in being a useful entity.

Cheers! :)
 
Don't feel too bad Mike, It took like 150 Ghost posts over several months to get me up and running on my machine and board.

Like a trooper he kept at me little by little, maybe even knowing along I was painting myself into a corner where either I was never going to get it or (As I'm very happy to say it turned out) it was all gonna make sense at once.

When I got it, I got it!
Complete mixing and multitracking liberation!!



It pays to learn from the best.
:)
 
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