Oh The Moral Implications,..

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Am I cheating my Fans / Listeners

  • Yes, Music should be played through with all the little mistakes left in. It gives Character

    Votes: 3 11.5%

  • Yes, But Punching in is acceptable practice and will not be noticed by 99.9% of listeners

    Votes: 8 30.8%

  • Not really, Your using loops which are commonplace in modern music.

    Votes: 6 23.1%

  • No, Loops and quantizing to make the song better, does exactly that, your making it better.

    Votes: 9 34.6%
  • Total voters
    26
Goggle up Olde Frothingslosh and take a look .... was one of my favorite at one time. The old pale stall ale. :D
 
If a crap musician creates a recording using trickery and looping,etc,who cares.If it makes them happy then there's nothing immoral about it.If it makes them money then maybe they should consider hiring a professional working musician like Lt. Bob to play the parts live or be considered a complete hack.

If the OP feels guilt for not being able to play the parts properly then either practice more or use the trickery and live with the guilt.I can't play drums.I've been using drum machines and drum loops for years.I know what i want to hear for a particular song so i make it happen.I feel no guilt and sleep just fine at night.
 
Olde Frothingslosh ....... so light the foam is on the bottom.
 
mcmetal said:
Ithey should consider hiring a professional working musician like Lt. Bob to play the parts live
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yes .... YES ........... daddy needs a new pair of shoes!

:D








seriously ...... these things are wearing out and they stink.
 
Greg_L said:
Wait, Lt Boob is a working musician? I had no idea! :D
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yeah ..... I work at getting my hat to look inviting for passersby to drop a quarter in it.

maybe I can eat today!

:D:D:D

I only have one gig today but 3 of the fuckers tomorrow. :mad:
A hired gun gig at a festival at 11, then a private party at 3 and then a biker bar at 9 ........ good lord!
Maybe the standing on a streetcorner thing would be easier.
 
That's how I bought my first 4 track. It helps to be a kid though. Now that I'm all grown up I would probably get told off and asked to move along, back then it was so much easier. Biker bar sounds fun, pull out all your Culture Club covers, those guys love that stuff!
 
Sonixx said:
Hum, me thinks the OP is over analyzing this. :)
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I don't. I think today it's a very legitimate conversation to have, if only with oneself.

SouthSIDE Glen said:
All jokes and judgment on the quality of their "work" aside, negative moral judgments were unanimously made against their false representation, irrespective of the music itself.

And while a bit of a gray subject without unaninous agreement, what Don Kirshner did with the creation of the Monkees and the original practice of overdubbing their vocals over instrument tracks actually played by session musicians and/or ghost bands has been largely frowned upon by the musical community (if not by the public).

In both of these cases, however, there was a common denominator. The controversy was not so much about the method in which the music was created, but in how the credit for the product was attributed in public.
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But this is what we see all the time. "Justin Beaber is a promising young artist." NO!!! Justin Beiber is a promising young PERFORMER. He created nothing.

Now. In my opinion; it's a grey area. All of recording is an illusion. Music used to be enjoyed by hiring a chamber orchestra or quartet and having a concert. Then we got recording. Is it the same? No.

Then we started overdubbing. Is that a lie? If I record each part myself to sound like a band . . . is that wrong? I don't think so but, it's still a little more grey.

I tend to be of the thought that depending on the song and what it's supposed to sound like . . . . you should get as close to that as you can. For instance; a dance/techno song isn't supposed to sound like a well rehearsed bass player. So a loop isn't really out of place or wrong. But if you are attempting to sound like a band maybe you should practice enough to get it down.

I don't have the ability to record live drums. So I have to use machines or e-drums. I work hard to make my patterns (in the machine) sound good. I work hard to play a good part on the e-drum. Is that cheating? I dunno. I also like to run my sampled sounds through speakers and mic. the speaker to record real sounds and air moving.

My point is . . . how much of an illusion are you willing to let go? David Copperfield has no issues with the fact that he didn't really fly. No one really thinks he did. But he worked hard to get that illussion down.

I know this is a belabored point, so I'm done. Just my thoughts.
 
kcearl said:
so a performer is not an artist anymore? ;)
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There is art in a good performance. But the idea that someone who walks into a studio, records just the vocals to a song they didn't write, and walks away is a musical artist is insane to me.
 
nate_dennis said:
There is art in a good performance. But the idea that someone who walks into a studio, records just the vocals to a song they didn't write, and walks away is a musical artist is insane to me.
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it may be insane to you but they are as legitimate an artist as a lauded ballerina doing swan lake for the umpteenth time
 
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