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Hi there... you should try putting the snare in the center, it feels weird panned right.
I feel lightly a bass, but is too buried... you may eq the kick a little, i think is a little lost, i can only hear the booom, it need a little more plastic. The levels are good, maybe the ride on the right is a little loud.

You are in the right direction... well done.
 
Hi there... you should try putting the snare in the center, it feels weird panned right.
I feel lightly a bass, but is too buried... you may eq the kick a little, i think is a little lost, i can only hear the booom, it need a little more plastic. The levels are good, maybe the ride on the right is a little loud.

You are in the right direction... well done.

cheers man..i dont touch acoustic drums normally but I just got SD2 at the weekend...so im kinda new at how to pan or mix them..so that helps :)
 
This is definitely an improvement from the last one in terms of sound and first mix. In terms of songwriting, like the last tune, the overall changes are great but specific parts written for each instrument make things a little chaotic. I think this particular genre wants to be really tight. Some parts sound too improvised on the spot, maybe. I hear the snare sitting left but it doesn't bother me terribly.

The bass guitar sounds Midi-ish. Maybe, it's supposed to?
 
This is definitely an improvement from the last one in terms of sound and first mix. In terms of songwriting, like the last tune, the overall changes are great but specific parts written for each instrument make things a little chaotic. I think this particular genre wants to be really tight. Some parts sound too improvised on the spot, maybe. I hear the snare sitting left but it doesn't bother me terribly.

The bass guitar sounds Midi-ish. Maybe, it's supposed to?

its a real bass...I just cant find that kind of treblely bass sound I'm looking for..it needs more work


the solos are definitely improvised lol..and so's most of the bass..just because i don't really play them...glad the first mix is sounding better though..I definitely feel a bit more confident in what Im doing with it now

not sure what I can do with whats recorded until I can recover the original recording from my fooked hard drive..is it just an overall choas or would re-recording certain parts help tighten it in your opinion?

cheers Nave :)
 
OK ..here's my really important question:

What did you do to the bass drum to get it to swollow all of the other sounds in the mix every time it hits...like a black hole??

This is something I've been hearing on some late techno and hip hop stuff on the radio. It's an interesting, new thing...and I can't figure out how to do it. Maybe you know? Or stumbled onto it by accident??

I think if you panned the guitars inside a bit, the mix would improve drastically!! The second one I've heard today with hard panned guits, stuff in the center, and nothing in-between. Same advice...no communication between the parts...the jive is lost.....and the ambience is obscured, I think.

But I like the bigness of it. Unique. That's good. Remember how improper and idiotic Phil Collins' toms were in 'In the Air Tonight'? :^)
 
its a real bass...I just cant find that kind of treblely bass sound I'm looking for..it needs more work


the solos are definitely improvised lol..and so's most of the bass..just because i don't really play them...glad the first mix is sounding better though..I definitely feel a bit more confident in what Im doing with it now

not sure what I can do with whats recorded until I can recover the original recording from my fooked hard drive..is it just an overall choas or would re-recording certain parts help tighten it in your opinion?

cheers Nave :)

I like what you are going for and I think you are almost there. Start with the bass. I think, just maybe, in your zeal to make something interesting with this instrument that you don't play you are doing too much with it. The part you've written may be cool on its own and fun to play, but the song is suffering for it. The song itself is good, the cadences of the changes are great. I'm not sure it needs to have the bass so busy in order to be interesting. That back and forth whole step riff, for example, kind of distracts me. That may have something to do with you not being familiar with playing the instrument; you do sound like a guitar player playing a bass. Think less of "riffing" and more of using this instrument to anchor the song. My opinion is that the song wants the bass in particular to probably be doing something more boring: more along the lines of what the rhythm guitar is doing and in lock step with the drums. If you are going to have the bass riff out a little, then I would say use it sparingly at transitional points of the song or where there are drum fills. I also think the synths could be reined in some way and given a part that is more predictable and then only really let lose at specific points. And I would plan the solos.

This may sound far more boring than what you envisioned but I think it would tighten it up a good deal and make the instruments really stand out when they do do something interesting. I do think this kind of genre benefits greatly from tightly organized parts. It's not the type of music that works well in Jam format and it sounds like a recording of a Jam. The bottom line is that you've got a good song structure, you've recorded the sounds well, you've got a decent mix, now make it more than just a jam. Some of the specifics of the performance parts sound winged like the Grateful dead, so it doesn't surprise me when you say they are. I love the dead, but I don't want to hear the them play Joy Division. lol. I realize that following this advice means perhaps sacrificing something you envisioned and undergoing another recording ordeal, so just consider it. I am far from a song-writing guru, much less, a recording God. It's just what my ears are telling me after almost 25 years of playing guitar. But, I could be wrong, and I don't want to be responsible for it if I am! :p
 
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Totally well-written tune, Keith! Very Human League, in a good way.
I'm listening on cheap phones at work so i can't really comment on the bass, although it does seem to have enough. I love that snare, it fits the style perfectly. It seems to get lost a little at times especially during the synth solo before the last chorus. Lovely voice you've got there. Guitars sound pretty good too and I like the way you panned them. I think with just a little more tweaking, this one's ready. Go for it!

ÜBERCOOL, MEIN FREUND!

Joey :):):):)
 
Lol. This totally sounds like the Human League. All you need is some chick singers in there.

Keep feeling fascination! :D


Anyway, that timbale sounding snare you have to the right is kind of annoying. Actually it's very annoying. Center that thing or use a different sample. Whatever you did for the quick little snare fills sounds better. I like the mongo bass drum in this.

Side note - jeff, if you narrow eq boost approx 50-65hz on a real kick drum (internally mic'd) about 15db, you can get that balloony boom effect.

The guitars are fuzzy and kind of chintzy sounding, but they fit the song pretty well. The bass is weird but it doesn't bother me. When you're doing 80's pop you can use all sorts of weird sounds. The vocals are a little too wet for me, but that's personal taste. I can't really understand what you're saying. Not that I want to hear it, but it would be nice to able to. ;)
 
Treffic stuff guys thanks

@ Jeff...I just EQ'd the kick and stuck a "drum chamber" reverb on it, then the overall drum mix was put through reverb again...cant remember exactly as its lost in the other hard drive...I thought the guitars may be a bug bear as I notice that myself in songs..Ill bring 'em in a bit


@Nave...thanks for taking the time to comment twice dude..I tried to write and record the song in one day, Im getting sick of how long I take on the whole process rather than playing, and that may be why its suffered...its a jam with myself..but you are 100% right about the bass...I have two and don't have a clue, I think i need to study up and learn how to play them properly


@ joey...you always cheer me up..too cool..Ill look at the snare and the bass again though


@ the G man...eureka, you never mentioned the cymbals, the peasants are revolting lol :D Ill move that snare...I kinda start spacing them out like machine drums but that doesnt work..the vocals went through a filter after trying to get them sounding like a gang 80s style but its what I was going for (though I may buy melodyne now ;) ) Youre best not to understand the vocals...they'll turn you into a liberal synth player!!!



thanks guys...as per you get me in the right direction...Im so glad my initial mixings improving, that's down to the time people spend here pointing out stuff to newbs like me :)
 
its a real bass...I just cant find that kind of treblely bass sound I'm looking for..it needs more work

hey you might wanna try out IK multimedia ampeg svx. its like the bass version of guitar rig, i bought a long long time ago when i very first picked up any sort of guitar (my first was a bass) and i have never felt any need to buy an amp because of it.

i think its something like 150-200$ right now but im pretty sure you could find a demo some where and i think its def. worth the money.
 
hey you might wanna try out IK multimedia ampeg svx. its like the bass version of guitar rig, i bought a long long time ago when i very first picked up any sort of guitar (my first was a bass) and i have never felt any need to buy an amp because of it.

i think its something like 150-200$ right now but im pretty sure you could find a demo some where and i think its def. worth the money.


this is through a korg AX...the unfortunate thing is that its not a dry recording..again I'm trying to use outside "instruments" and EQing them later...but there's room for fiddling ;)

they have a deal on already..and a pretty good one, i quite fancy fender as well as svx

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/Main.html?powergroup/index.php
 
this is through a korg AX...the unfortunate thing is that its not a dry recording..again I'm trying to use outside "instruments" and EQing them later...but there's room for fiddling ;)

they have a deal on already..and a pretty good one, i quite fancy fender as well as svx

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/Main.html?powergroup/index.php

there ya go!

i know your probably not very familiar with the band mudvayne but their bassist is a very predominant bassist, he plays through an ampeg rig with a 4x12 guitar cab for added mids and highs, and i can achieve something similar on that ampeg software.

i know you said you felt you needed more treble so i thought i'd mention it.
 
I can't add anything to what's already been said....put that snare closer to the middle, maybe start building the mix from the drums + bass. Get those two to merge and I think the rest will slot in nicely.
The kick is....well the kick of doom.:D If you're running a compressor across this mix, then the kick is ducking the entire mix when it hits....of course some of this could be from SoundClicks' infamously sucky mp3 player.
You've got the 80's vibe dead to rights...Human League indeed!
 
I can't add anything to what's already been said....put that snare closer to the middle, maybe start building the mix from the drums + bass. Get those two to merge and I think the rest will slot in nicely.
The kick is....well the kick of doom.:D If you're running a compressor across this mix, then the kick is ducking the entire mix when it hits....of course some of this could be from SoundClicks' infamously sucky mp3 player.
You've got the 80's vibe dead to rights...Human League indeed!

thanks Teysha...ive moved the drums a bit but its an audio stem..will fix it properly when I can get on my fooked hard drive..Ive had a fiddle with the bass...sounds better

the kick is awesome..it must be soundclicks fault..this is the best kick ever lol ;)

moved the guitars in slightly and taken a bit of the filter of the vocs as well to see if they're any clearer..thanks for listening and the comments.. I kick dogs, im the inhumane league :)
 
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I like what you are going for and I think you are almost there. Start with the bass. I think, just maybe, in your zeal to make something interesting with this instrument that you don't play you are doing too much with it. The part you've written may be cool on its own and fun to play, but the song is suffering for it. The song itself is good, the cadences of the changes are great. I'm not sure it needs to have the bass so busy in order to be interesting. That back and forth whole step riff, for example, kind of distracts me. That may have something to do with you not being familiar with playing the instrument; you do sound like a guitar player playing a bass. Think less of "riffing" and more of using this instrument to anchor the song. My opinion is that the song wants the bass in particular to probably be doing something more boring: more along the lines of what the rhythm guitar is doing and in lock step with the drums. If you are going to have the bass riff out a little, then I would say use it sparingly at transitional points of the song or where there are drum fills. I also think the synths could be reined in some way and given a part that is more predictable and then only really let lose at specific points. And I would plan the solos.

This may sound far more boring than what you envisioned but I think it would tighten it up a good deal and make the instruments really stand out when they do do something interesting. I do think this kind of genre benefits greatly from tightly organized parts. It's not the type of music that works well in Jam format and it sounds like a recording of a Jam. The bottom line is that you've got a good song structure, you've recorded the sounds well, you've got a decent mix, now make it more than just a jam. Some of the specifics of the performance parts sound winged like the Grateful dead, so it doesn't surprise me when you say they are. I love the dead, but I don't want to hear the them play Joy Division. lol. I realize that following this advice means perhaps sacrificing something you envisioned and undergoing another recording ordeal, so just consider it. I am far from a song-writing guru, much less, a recording God. It's just what my ears are telling me after almost 25 years of playing guitar. But, I could be wrong, and I don't want to be responsible for it if I am! :p


That's a good post!
 
it is..I think the bass is definitely the weakest link on further listening...I doubt Ill tighten much else up as i think tying this to the drums and just using the "riff" parts during transitions will help the whole song sound more correctly constructed, and maybe dropping one of the verse synths

it was a good lesson though...write and record in one day..I also recorded using abletons scenes for the back bone of it rather than record linearly..seems that it helps speed up the process without being totally noticeable

good stuff gents :)
 
Hey man, I listened to this one a couple of times this evening and yes, I think your mixing is improving.

I personally liked the bass playing, but I have no idea whether the simplify the bass suggestions might be just what the doctor ordered.

I don't remember the '80's sounding like this...personally, I try not to remember what that sounded like.:)

The vocals are cool and similar in delivery to your others. The overall sound is very big and different from most of what I hear...mostly in a good way. I love that envelope filter-like synth sound towards the end...you've used that a few times...cool.
 
Hey man, I listened to this one a couple of times this evening and yes, I think your mixing is improving.

I personally liked the bass playing, but I have no idea whether the simplify the bass suggestions might be just what the doctor ordered.

I don't remember the '80's sounding like this...personally, I try not to remember what that sounded like.:)

The vocals are cool and similar in delivery to your others. The overall sound is very big and different from most of what I hear...mostly in a good way. I love that envelope filter-like synth sound towards the end...you've used that a few times...cool.

thanks heat...the synth envelope bit was just a single note chopped up and positioned in a beat then some delay added..I like the sound of it too :)

I hated 80s music at the time...my bands were the Jam for the first half and the stone roses/happy mondays for the second half...dunno why I kinda like it now..easier to play I guess lol :D
 
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