Ns10s taking over the world

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TexRoadkill said:
I find it funny how you can find them on a $120,000 API but people here feel they are not worthy of mating with a Mackie 1202. I really dont understand all the disdain for them here.
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I noticed this too....

Im not sure what it is either... but shit gets bad raps around here, while in the actual industry the item can be popular.

I atribute some of this to inexperience (on all of our parts.. im not pointing any fingers)

Some is part of the "Bandwagon" movement

And, some is true.
 
tyler657recpro said:
Nearfields and stereo speakers you listen to are totally different. Nearfields are designed to be as close to a perfectly flat display of the frequency spectrum as possible.
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Mainfields are designed to have a flat, full range response. nearfields were first designed to, as the ns10 thing, have some of the charicteristics of hi-fi speakers (rolled off bass?). check out the first nearfields by aurotone!
 
well, it seems that i should not rule out the ns10s, i really like the "price/performance ratio" of the events, the mackies are just too expensive. I think the time is coming for me to make a "responsible, budget savory" decision (provided a listen on the mackies, or ns10s, doesnt blow me away).

Thanks For the Advice,

Eric

P.S. Maybe the NS10s are what you would call an "industry secret"
 
TexRoadkill said:
You will have to pry my NS10M's out of my cold dead hands. I should stock up on replacement tweets and woofs while they are still available. They were discontinued because the pulp for the woofers is no longer available.

I find it funny how you can find them on a $120,000 API but people here feel they are not worthy of mating with a Mackie 1202. I really dont understand all the disdain for them here.

I've never really bothered to look into other budget monitors because my NS10's have treated me well for 10years. I find them to be very clinical sounding and I like that.

They could almost be considered the one true 'reference' monitor because they are in every studio so all studios know they are hearing the same thing.

For a homewrecker on a budget I think deciding between a few hundred bucks for the NS10's and a grand for some Mackie's is a no brainer.
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I've got a pair too. I'm glad you like them so much, because I'll know who I can sell mine to for parts!:D

No one is saying they aren't the industry standard - just explaining how they came to be that way. I'm sure you know how to mix on them by now, and get fabulous results, Tex. As do most of us who have been around for a while.

But I still contend that there is no reason for a newcomer to jump through the NS-10 hoops anymore, not with so many other alternatives out there that are easier (and more fun) to learn to use.

And VOX: as far as "inexperience", there are just as many (if not more) top Pros who are happy to see their demise as there are ones who are in mourning... at least based on my conversations and observations on other boards besides this one.

But as i said to Chessrock (on the spectrum analyzer issue): no one here is trying to deny anyone the right to use anything they can make useful. Just a friendly discussion!;)
 
No they're not a secret. Practically every world class studio has a pair of them somewhere in the set-up......

I see alot of JBL's for Mid fields also. Strange.
 
Also, to be fair when comparing the price of NS-10m's to whatever, you have to remember that you will need a power amp. And not just any crappy one - the quality of the amp will definitely affect the performance of the speakers.

When you add in the price of the power amp, they may not be quite as much of a "no brainer" as you thought.
 
littledog said:
... as far as "inexperience", there are just as many (if not more) top Pros who are happy to see their demise as there are ones who are in mourning... at least based on my conversations and observations on other boards besides this one. ...
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I'll back up littledog on that. Just do a search on r.a.p. Lots of experienced people hate them. Others don't.

(I'm agnostic on the subject myself, since I don't have either the thing itself or more than a passing familiarity with it).
 
Im using a $100 Used Nad integrated amplifier to power my NS-10m's, and my recordings turn out pretty damn good...
 
... which only continues to prove that talent is more important than gear! :D
 
littledog said:
... which only continues to prove that talent is more important than gear! :D
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True, but I always attributed it to my dashingly handsom looks... :D
 
I guess I dont quite understand the idea of NS10's being difficult to monitor on or bad sounding. I could see if somebody was doing a lot of bass heavy mixes than obviously the NS10's would leave a little too much to the imagination.

For a long time they were my only speakers for all my music listening and I really like the way acoustic oriented music translates on them. You really hear a lot of the high end subtleties also. They are great for percussion.

The only time I ever did a really horrible job on monitors was when I remastered some old stuff using some of the big Alesis monitors. I had put in way too much bass and the remasters sounded like complete shit on other systems.

Difficult? Just move the faders until it sounds good ;)
 
Reading this thread I understand the following, and I can also speak from personal experience.

The NS10 aren't the best monitors around, their quite difficult to work with, what most relate to as bad sounding. It's not bad sounding actually, it's the character of the monitors. If you worked with these monitors (and this goes for most monitors) you'll get used to their sound and limitations and you'll be able to do some damn fine mixing on them. The Ns10 have their severe limitations. Monitors made these days can benefit from years of designing experience. The reason NS10's are still around is many pro's are comfortable and accustomed with working on them.

I once bougth a pair of NS10, because I saw them standing on every major studio desk. I tried for several months to work with them, but I had the Spirit Abs II as reference. I found them easier to work on than the NS10's. That's not the NS10's fault, it was my lack of experience with them.

So later I bought the KRK V8, and got used to them. I wasn't satisfied with the abs II anymore. Logical, they cost 1/5 fifth of the V8. Later I bought the Tannoy system12. Guess what, it costs twice as much as the V8, and I use these for most on my monitoring work.

So it's just what your used to working with.
 
I think Downside summed it up perfectly. And one other factor that hasn't been mentioned:

If you are mixing with the client present, they are much happier when they can actually hear the bass, not just imagine it! If you're mixing by yourself, obviously, that won't matter.
 
haven't heard the krk yet, i figure this weekend ill go to guitar center with pearl jam, my favorite recording, and listen to the hr824s the 20/20bas, and maybe now the krks. Another question, lets take the event 20/20bas, each side has a total of 200 watts amplification, thats 400 watts, plus maybe the power of a subwoofer i may someday add, right now im listening on a stereo with 110 watts a side at about 1/2 the maximum volume on the reciever, when you plug in monitors do they have their own volume controls or is your only control the slider on the mixer? Right now i keep my mixers sliders, the main mix and each channel right on zero, would i have to slide the main mix down considerably to keep the monitors at a listenable volume? If this is the case it would seem that the speakers amps are always at full blast, wouldnt that be dangerous after 5 hours of mixing? or am i trying to compare apples to oranges in the stereo to monitor wattage?
 
No one can mix effectively "full blast" for hours at a time. Lower your volume to a comfortable listening level, and every once in a while check how the mix is sounding really loud and really soft.
 
Typical mixing levels are 80-85dB - some engineers even go to 90dB (which is a bit high)...

More than that for longish periods of time and you are at a definite risk of some hearing loss...!

Bruce
 
VOXVENDOR said:

I see alot of JBL's for Mid fields also. Strange.
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Not so strange, actually...when you consider that they are a better sounding speaker than the Yamaha's(and I know I'm comparing nearfield to midfield) and had/have a much larger product line for studio monitors..... and the old dinosaur 4311's (which by coincidence, I happen to have also;) ) are probably more ubiquitous than your NS10's...at least thru the 70's and early 80's. Hey...I've got the Auratones too...probably more popular than the tissue covered NS10's also..

ah...then there's the Urie's....

boy...I have some old speakers...eh?? all I need are some Big Reds!! and an plate reverb....and a 900 Harmonizer...and an Arp 2600.....damn...there was some fine equipment pre ADAT's...shit...PRE -internet!!!
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Typical mixing levels are 80-85dB - some engineers even go to 90dB (which is a bit high)...

More than that for longish periods of time and you are at a definite risk of some hearing loss...!

Bruce
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pussy, Steely Dan lover!!:D :D :D

Hey Pete...can ya turn up my bass?? I can't hear it over your windmill power chords!!! ...and Roger can hear his vocals either...

(ah...he's deaf though....oh well:cool: :rolleyes: )
 
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