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ok so my drum recording so far has been pretty good (as far as i care, and im what matters) but we've got this new song as a band and i want 2 recreate a specific drum sound - the one in Queens of the stone ages 2nd album - songs for the deaf. its a very dry sound wiht lts of attack and punch with very little overtons and resonace. im using a sm57 on the snare and some cheap overheads and kick drum mics and tom mics which i got off ebay for £50 but they cost a little over £200 form the offical stag website. when eq and positiond correctly theyre giving a really nice sound though that i'm happy with. im alrealy dampening the toms and snare with moongel (a gift from above). any other ideas? compression techniquies, gating ,other facy word that i dont know what they mean. lol. thanks
 
Was produced by Eric valentine who I think did Good Charlotte and Smashmouth(was/is a member?). You could perhaps look up some of his production tricks if he reveals any.

You woudl be best to start with grohls kit and heads and then go from there.
 
How they recorded the drums and cymbals

hi,

im not sure what drums/haeds grohl used or how he muffled or tuned them, but i do know one very important fact about those recordings. They recorded the drums first and then overdubbed the cymbals. Grohl said, in an interview with Modern Drummer, that they put pads up where the cymbals would be and they only recorded the drums at first to prevent the drums from bleeding into the cymbal mics. They did the opposite when it came to recording the cymbals. By doing this, they allowed the drum mics to only pick up the drums and the cymbal mics to only pick up the cymbals, preventing any bleeding between the two.

Seems like a pretty big hassle, but it would need to be done in order to get his exact sound. If you don't then you will have the overheads picking up the drums, which is something that they eliminated completely im order to get the drums to soudn the way that they do.

Hope that helps - Msmales555
 
now that explains a lot!!!!!!! i've been listening to that album pretty intensely trying to to work out that drum sound... i always wondered how they could hard pan the cymbals with such clarity!!!!
 
That does make sense. thats a lot of hassle. i suppose i could use practice cymbals and hit them so they dont make any noise - that way i can be playing as normal. he must have playde that hi-hat though while recordin just the drums but there wouldnt have been much bleed into the other mics and theyre gated strongly. he must have micd the hi-hat :s i dont like micing hi-hats. i dont think much duct tape can have been used though as you do get some resonance back its just very sharp and dry. when you use duct tape its deadens it completly. thanks for all your help guy - i really appreciate it. I'll try the sperrate recording technique today and ill give you my thoughts later. hes using his lugwig kit with pinstips but im not sure bout the resonant head - actually im assuming he used that kit - its the one hes used on that tour. Any ideas how to find some of Eric valentines (Eric is such a cool name - its my name) techniques? thanks again for all your help guys.
 
dr.colossus said:
now that explains a lot!!!!!!! i've been listening to that album pretty intensely trying to to work out that drum sound... i always wondered how they could hard pan the cymbals with such clarity!!!!
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Deiter Dirks, the producer for the Scorpions, used this technique back in the 80's on stuff like "Rock you like a Hurricane", and even worse- The had Herman Rarebell just record 1 drum at a time!
So, he would just go record a Snare drum track, then a kick track, then a tom track, and then hi-hat and rides, and then crashes.

It must have teken them a sickeningly long time to record those records.

It sort of takes the fun of playing out of it, doesn't it? :rolleyes:

Def Leppard's records went the same way I 've read.

Tim
 
so what can i use to simulate the cybals that wont cost mee too much money?
One guy said electronic cymbal pads...
theres gotta be something cheaper than that.
Any Ideas??
 
Cardboard from the bottom of frozen pizzas. Sounds stupid.........but it's cheap and it works.
 
Tim Brown said:
So, he would just go record a Snare drum track, then a kick track, then a tom track, and then hi-hat and rides, and then crashes.
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And that's pretty much what Mick Fleetwood did on "Rumours!"
 
With all of the relative hassle that goes into recording acoustic drums,I don't know why (save for the prices on some electronic kits) most everyone hasn't just switched to E-Drum sets.You can still use real cymbals with them but your leakage problems are cut waaay down due to the fact that the samples would cover up any pad noise.With all of the signal processing going on and what they still charge for some of these racks($2000 reverb?-I don't *think* so) You could go out and get the top of the line drum module/machine from just about anyone for a relative *fraction* of the price and hassle of doing it"the old-fashioned way".
 
bat63 said:
With all of the relative hassle that goes into recording acoustic drums,I don't know why (save for the prices on some electronic kits) most everyone hasn't just switched to E-Drum sets.You can still use real cymbals with them but your leakage problems are cut waaay down due to the fact that the samples would cover up any pad noise.With all of the signal processing going on and what they still charge for some of these racks($2000 reverb?-I don't *think* so) You could go out and get the top of the line drum module/machine from just about anyone for a relative *fraction* of the price and hassle of doing it"the old-fashioned way".
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well in pop music alot of your ideas are allready being done all the time.
But overall your attitude seems lazy to me.
 
I prefer a natural sound myself. There's nothing more rewarding than working tediously on a kit, and have it come out just right. Triggers sound too processed to me.
 
jeff5xo said:
I prefer a natural sound myself. There's nothing more rewarding than working tediously on a kit, and have it come out just right.
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100% agreed!



jeff5xo said:
Triggers sound too processed to me.
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They can be very effective for metal/speedmetal.
 
bat63 said:
With all of the relative hassle that goes into recording acoustic drums,I don't know why (save for the prices on some electronic kits) most everyone hasn't just switched to E-Drum sets.You can still use real cymbals with them but your leakage problems are cut waaay down due to the fact that the samples would cover up any pad noise.With all of the signal processing going on and what they still charge for some of these racks($2000 reverb?-I don't *think* so) You could go out and get the top of the line drum module/machine from just about anyone for a relative *fraction* of the price and hassle of doing it"the old-fashioned way".
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Yeah that's a great idea!!! Why don't we just stop recording guitars through real amplifiers as well? Hell, we can just use a POD for guitar and trigger everything else!

Sorry to burst your bubble, but E-drums sound nothing like a well miced live drum kit. Don't get me wrong, they sound fine for certain styles of music, but most of the bands I record would shoot me if I made them play an electronic drum kit. At this point in time, there is no substite for a real drum kit and real microphones, just like there is no substitute for a real guitar amplifier. I don't have any problem with using triggered samples or a guitar POD when it is appropriate for the style of music being recorded, but for me it just doesn't work most of the time. You couldn't pry my drum set and amp from my cold dead hands!
 
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