Now that everyone has one of these by now . . .

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I'm curious to know some thoughts on the V67.

Specifically, I would like to know what you think of it on things OTHER THAN vocals. I just realized that I accused this thing of being a "one-trick-pony" (for vocals) in another thread without giving it a fair shot. I am guessing . . . and this is just a guess . . . that it just might sound good pressed up against a guitar amp. I'm basing this on the fact that it has, in my opinion, excellent presence and a bit of an aggressive sound to it. Supposedly, it handles pretty high spls, so I doubt this would damage it. Might have to roll some bass off, I'm sure.

My other thought is that maybe it would be a good drum overhead for the same reason I mentioned above. The high-end presence doesn't seem to be so extreme that it would be a problem on cymbals and/or hi-hat. And it's excellent bass response would seem a natural for capturing the kick, snare and toms.

My guess is that it wouldn't be a rock-star on accoustic guitar - at least for me, as I prefer less of a colored sound, and would probably prefer something without a transformer for that reason.

Any thoughts?
 
As long as a mic SOUNDS good, it IS good, in my opinion. I don't have any experience with this mic, but I've also tried some mics on my guitar amp and other stuff. Some worked, some sounded like shit, but that's OK. There's no right or wrong here, if you think it sounds good everything goes.

Dirk Demon
 
dirk_demon said:
As long as a mic SOUNDS good, it IS good, in my opinion. I don't have any experience with this mic, but I've also tried some mics on my guitar amp and other stuff. Some worked, some sounded like shit, but that's OK. There's no right or wrong here, if you think it sounds good everything goes.

Dirk Demon
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Thanks for the most insightful comment, Dirk. Now, back to my actual question . . . What have you used it on and do you like it on that instrument? Oh, that's right. You "don't have any experience with it." Thanks again, Dirk. I think. Next caller.
 
Hi, I've had good results with the V67 on electric guitar (Fender HotRod 1x12", 2' away), a very open and if you may 'authentic' sound which suited the band perfectly.

I've also used two of them (one green and one black, looks awful!) as an X/Y-pair of drum overheads. Sounded awsome! May have been that great Premier set also... ;)

It did a fair job (nothing to compare with, mind you!) on a trombone on the same session as the Fender amp was recorded.

I've also used one (1) of them on a vibraphone.

My experience soundwise is in rock so I know that the drums and guitar sounded good, the other examples are just to show that I'm not disappointed with how faithfully they represented the instruments and players. They're my only LD condensers though, I have two 603's, a C1000s, two Milab VM-41 SD condensers and SM-57's to compare with.

Check this out, trombone, guitar, vocals and organ and bass drum are V67's, tell me what you think. Drum overheads are second vocal mic are 603's (hence the 'roomy' vocal). The song is 'New Year's Eve', by a swedish band called 'Laakso'.
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/1/1354/singles.shtml

Regards,
/Henrik
 
chessrock said:


Thanks for the most insightful comment, Dirk. Now, back to my actual question . . . What have you used it on and do you like it on that instrument? Oh, that's right. You "don't have any experience with it." Thanks again, Dirk. I think. Next caller.
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hehe, i was waiting for that one :). but hey if chess hadn't said it I was going to say it for him.
 
valdemar said:

Check this out, trombone, guitar, vocals and organ and bass drum are V67's, tell me what you think. Drum overheads are second vocal mic are 603's (hence the 'roomy' vocal). The song is 'New Year's Eve', by a swedish band called 'Laakso'.
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/1/1354/singles.shtml
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Well I guess that pretty much answers my question. Damn. I guess my suspicions were indeed accurate. That thing sounds awesome on a guitar amp. I'm suspecting it would even sound better on something dirtier sounding. Here's my potential dream team: Mesa Boogie driven hard, close-mic'ed with a v67, preamped with a Joemeek.

Great production by the way, my friend! Sounds excellent. I'm not quite sure about the v67 on the trombone (or bassdrum) - although it works very well on that particular song in a weird way. I sure do like it on the guitars and vocals, though.

What kind of board / preamps were you using?
 
Thanks, Chessrock!

The bass drum is pretty much only the overheads (603s) but I compressed the hell out of the V67 to give it the special sound. I think I might have been better off using something like a D112.

Everything has gone through a Behringer MX2004A, and then Cubase and plug ins.

Regards,
/Henrik
 
I'm still trying to digest this. I can't get over how weird that tune is . . . in a good way, of course, with the trombone.

Have you thought about maybe putting some weird effect on it (trombone)? . . Too bad you didn't have him record it with a mute - trombones can sound pretty damn cool/interesting muted.

Wow. I can't believe you got THAT vocal sound with a $130 mic and a Behringer mixer. That's the kind of vocal sound that can play with the big-boys, ya know? The guitars, too. A Behringer. Man, there is hope for the rest of us!
 
Wow, thanks! I like it myself, think it has mostly to do with this guy having a great expression in his voice.

One thing I did though, is something that I had heard in my head för a long time. The vocals are close mic'd as usual, appr. 3-4" away. This was in the band's rehearsal space, 12'x22'x8'. I had him set up 14 feet from the short end wall (pretty near the middle of the room). Then I put a MXL603s 3 feet away from him, pointing against the short end wall. This turned out to sound exactly as I had imagined.

I ended up not having to resort to reverb (except for the "It's you" part when the distorted guitar crashes in, that called for something extra). So, I'll just say: Put a room mic on the singer if you have a tracking room larger than a vocal booth, it just might the thing the track needs.

Up to this point I had really been thinking about getting better preamps, converters etc. because the sounds I was getting weren't good enough. I realized that a great band/song is no. 1 (like we didn't know that before) and additionally, a decent (in my case, bigger) room can do wonders to the sound. Since then I've upgraded my sound card (from Maxi Studio ISIS to RME Hammerfall), I'm getting a better board (Allen & Heath), better converters (Swissonic and Mindprint), I want as many mics as money can buy (could someone please make a cheap ribbon mic?)... GAS, you know. ;) But decent gear can give wonderful recordings, no doubt about it.

Since this recording I've discovered Sheryl Crow's 'Globe Sessions' album. Now that's a class A recording in my book, check out the vocal sound with headphones if you like the roomy quality in my recording, Chessrock.

As for the trombone, I wanted it sounding natural, it turned out a little upfront in the mix, but I'll definetely try the mute thing next time I record a trombone (or trumpet for that matter).

Regards,
/Henrik
 
I was just thinking the mute might sound good given the particular "mood" of that song. It sounds good as is though.

My living room is about 30' by 20' with hardwood floors. It's about 14 feet from the floor to the ceiling. I don't usually record up here, but I suppose it's high time I start experimenting. Maybe pull out one of Harvey's Behringer omni-directionals. :)

Any suggestions on placement?

Don't look now, but our V67 just went on sale for $100 at Mars music. "Excuse me, but I'll have 10 of those, please."
 
Chess,

Please stick a link to it in the "Hot Deals" section. Just playing around with it on spoken voice and my own bad singing so far, I cannot believe how positive my first impressions are of the modest V67M. It seems to compete well with dynamic mics costing three times as much, and has a LOT of output. For my overly sibilant speaking voice, it needs a Popless or other quality spit filter. Considering the accessories it truly *deserves*, I'm beginning to regret not going for the C-1 instead; however, since I have the T-3 and love it, I wanted to try something different. I cannot imagine anyone being disappointed with the V67M. At $100, it's an over-the-top best buy.

Mark H.
 
chessrock said:


Wow. I can't believe you got THAT vocal sound with a $130 mic and a Behringer mixer. That's the kind of vocal sound that can play with the big-boys, ya know? The guitars, too. A Behringer. Man, there is hope for the rest of us!
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Chessrock, what are you listening through? i dont hear any vocals that are competing with the "big boys." the vocal isnt sitting good in the mix and is kind of distracting being placed so upfront . the guitar seemed pretty muddy for being clean. it would have benefited from a brighter mic.
im also hearing a lot of room ambiance in the recording but not the good kind...


ill give it another listen through the tannoys went i get home since im listening through the sony 7506s and that might be a hindrance.

yet, my opinion of the marshall is alot less skeptical than they previously were. Since I bought a NT1 over a year ago, ive been skeptical of anything besides the well established names. Im afraid that a year from now, we'll all be bashing the marshalls and studio projects when the next "great" thing comes along. yet, the marshall sounds delightful for the price. I wonder how the vocals would sound if ran through a great river pre:)
 
Hi Mark,
Ive been wondering about the t3 and its overall performance. But ive found very few people who actually own one on here. So how do you like it? do you have any Music youve done with it? and how does it compare to say the tlm103??

thanks,
Zack
 
hi harvey,
which do you prefer among the two, do you like the "neve 1073" mercenary edition or just the plain ol' great river? im in the process of getting a good pre and i need a pre that will do somethings great but all things good.

I know thats asking alot from one box:)

I think getting a transparent pre might be my better choice if i could have only one preamp. Being in the military and in college right now, im strapped for cash so i want to get one pro preamp that can be used for most everything.

so harvey,
if you were stranded on a desert island and had only one preamp with you, which would it be??
sorry to back you into a corner;)

thanks,
Zack
 
Damn, either one would do me just fine. The MP-2 is very clean and wonderfully quiet, but the NV has a little fatter sound to it. Really hard for me to choose between the two. Being a kinda cheap guy, I'd probably just go with the MP-2, as long as I have a ton of mic flavors to choose from.
 
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