Noob question from the midwest!!

[bennyho]

Side chaining using drum triggers ??

I have two reasons for this question but I believe the implementation would apply to both situations.

the two situations Live recording of rehearsal (heavy rock, loud volumes), Stage Volume (more proximity issues from amps and drums)

OK the noob is about to be unleashed.

I have seen in many live videos of drummers these days using DDrum redshot triggers on their toms. (for example on sevendust double wide DVD you see Morgan using DDrum redshots on his toms

in interviews and forums at first i thought he was triggering drum samples but i also saw mics and someone pointed out that he was not triggering samples but actually using them to side chain a gate to open at the instant he hit the tom and that no other instrument on stage (would work great recording live rehearsal) could trigger the gate keeping the signal clean.

Now I understand the principal what im missing is the path from the trigger to the gate.

I have 4 behringer composer 2200's with side chain capability which i do not need as a compressor i can use them as gates but so far i cannot prevent the bass or a snare from opening all the gates without making it so strong it cuts the decay or ghost work out.

the trigger seems to solve this issue. But before i go buy a bunch of redshots..does anyone know if he would be running these into a drum module then to the sidechain so it is producing a tone into the side chain or is the pizio trigger itself sufficient to cause the gate to open.

 

[citizen77]

The piezo should be sufficient. It's a pickup, like what is used in an acoustic guitar. I haven't used the DDrum triggers before. Their design is a little different from the contact piezos I use, but I don't think it will change the signal amplitude too much. You can use the trigger right into the gate to open the mic signal. If you wanted to save some bucks before investing in the redshots, you can try purchasing some cheap ones from ebay. You can get five for about $20.00. I have have some with what looks like red "shielding" (they haven't broken yet... crossing fingers). Search for "piezo pickup" in ebay and you should find them. Also, I haven't done this, but if you went into a drum module, you can record the midi signals from the piezos into your DAW (if it has that capability) and then record the mics straight into it too. That way you can use drum samples and completely clean up the recording if need be... that could be blasphemy to the drummer though. It's just one idea that could save a recording though. I tracked one tune this way (but it was to create a more synthesized sound - though we used the samples of the drummer and his kit). It was easy to "over" quantize the drums this way but still get the organic sound of real drums. This probably isn't the easiest to do in a live setting though without a ton of prep work. Hope that opens up some other ideas for you.

 

[bennyho]

Thank you for the confirmation...full steam ahead with the plan than

 

[Farview]

There are a lot of bands that do this. The triggers are strong enough to open the gates. It doesn't get rid of the bleed when the gates are open, but it does keep the from opening when you don't want them.