What you also gotta REALISE IS.............
The nature of the material that you mix is 99.9 percent of the reason while you would reach for an eq over a tube warmer or a compressor over a distortion plug in.
A respected hip hop engineer is gonna track in those beats for missy and redman thru some kind of preamping/compressor stage and one can bet ones ass that it was not done with a 10 dollar unit....so before they even get into the mixing stage usually the material is already warm and pretty punchy because of the way its been recorded into the setup.
If the guy you're talking about uses pro tools and no analogue..you're correct hes got more experience and wiser ears but if you talking about somebody that uses computer recording to bounce down to two track and then slams it to 2 inch tape and then back into the computer again..you deal with a whole different animal...Theres this one brotha that was in a magazine that engineers missy and busta..redman others...black dude with braids or dreads its been a while since ive seen the article.
But i believe he mentioned using analogue consoles to mix and control his pro tools sessions as well as fluffing it with 2 inch tape later...might not be the same guy you mention Teacher...but Charles Dyes methods are more than sound for people that cant afford SSL boards or neve pres.
I guess using the warming plugs kind of compensate for that in some way shape or form.
Also it never hurts to realize that unless your in a similar position as the guy you respect or study...you cant accurately recreate his methods so you have to use what you have. That being said you record with a computer based environment and yes there is such a thing as overdoing the warmth and all that but...most of the things i was suggesting were about limiting..yes some of the stuff is based on analogue models..like classic series stuff and paris eq vst....but i would never suggest you over do it

whatever that means to the next man lol
If you wanna tone down the warmth..the least you could do is do yourself a favor and do justice to the balance with the drums and the vocalists.
If you have a decent enough producer he would be glad to give your snare some more thwak!...i only suggested that magneto or saturator might give you that thwack without going back to adding more elements unless they're absolutely needed.
I respect tons of engineers...My true favorite being Dr. Dre. Which most people still dont know...He doesnt get credit because of union bylaws..so he just sneaks and does it or sits in and basically tells the engineer thats at the console EXACTLY what to do.
He does use protools and he does mess with the warmth plug in stuff too...however the reason i throw in the analogue warmth stage as a final...is because Dre slams his stuff to tape after he mixes down to 2 track wav. Then he records it back to Pro Tools...IMO Tape is forgiving when it comes to distortion and overload....so i have to use it...this also makes it easier for me to avoid cranking up my faders....BTW I use a Logitech 3 speaker system for monitoring.
49 bucks at office max a year ago.
Ive been to 6 figure studios and my mixes sounded the same there as at the lab...its just about how you mix your stuff...Im very wary of low frequencies now...i had to learn the hardway with my first attempt at mastering my lp...Ive since remastered it and damn does it sound WAY better now...i can show my face in public again.
Anyways hopefully u got some good info or perspective on stuff...Sorry about being redundant with Charles Dye i forgot that you go there too ( i see your name everywhere too!)
OH yeah
Im gonna start a post tmw about
HOW THE HELL DO THEY A Record Nas' Vocals
B Mix Nas's Records
Im referring to the stuff from GodsSon to now...The GodsSon album sounded INCREDIBLE and the Thiefs Theme joint sounds JUST as beautiful..You may not like the song but DAMN how they hell do they get his voice so LOUD and so undistorted and clear man?
I know its the micing stage but what are they doing during the mixing?
Peace
Illumination