Newbies,listen up!

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pandamonk said:
Yeah, and I bet the walls are covered in carpet for soundproofing :rolleyes:
800 bucks? I'm sure if you had asked some advice on here you'd have spent your 800 bucks more effectively...

Let's see some pics of, and hear some recordings done in, your "great rooms" then :D
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Just so you know junior,there are pics of my place on this site.It is by no
means the best studio ever built,but it is better than anything you have.
Wanna know why?Because your 18 yr old ass is still trying to learn shit that
I forgot 20 yrs ago.
I have a room within a room,floating floors,and no need for bass traps.Let
me know if you want to know how I did that for $800.00,I would be more than happy to share info.
 
ChaseOfBass said:
^ I actually laughed (it was a chuckle but still) at that, I think that's how I can tell I'm an audio-nerd.

I have an idea, let's all go join forums and then post about how they're bullshit. That would be GREAT.
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Chase,I'm not really trying to say that this forum is shit.I'm just pointing
out that there are folks that know how to talk about building a studio,and folks that have.I just think that the average newb gets more info than he
or she really needs.I know a guy with a 2" ampex that mixes in the same
room he tracks in.Guy makes great recordings.
Here is a bit of free advice:Fuck treating a room for mixing,take yer shit out on the patio,and mix it there.Why treat a fucked room when you can eliminate it?
 
c7sus said:
Wow. The bedroom I built in my garage cost me $3500 in 2002.

I built 143 sq ft of hallway and bedroom. The county assesed it at $12,000.

I spent more than $800 on tools for the project!

I gotta see pics of this $800 garage conversion.
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Well,I went non union on my shit Graig.
 
SHEPPARDB. said:
Just so you know junior,there are pics of my place on this site.It is by no
means the best studio ever built,but it is better than anything you have.
Wanna know why?Because your 18 yr old ass is still trying to learn shit that
I forgot 20 yrs ago.
I have a room within a room,floating floors,and no need for bass traps.Let
me know if you want to know how I did that for $800.00,I would be more than happy to share info.
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Fancy giving us a link to the pics? Better than anything i have? I might have to agree with you, all i have at the moment is an unfinished shed and air-raid shelter...

Still trying to learn the shit you forgot 20 years ago? What might that be then?

I can understand how you got a room within a room, with floating floors for $800, i got a shed within a shed for less than that :D , and i know now that i could have done it a lot cheaper... But I am interested in how you don't need bass traps...
Is it just that you mix outside, like you suggested?
Is it that you designed it in such a way, with angled walls etc, that you wouldn't need them?
 
Found a link :D

Ohh, he managed it for under $800 because he got a load o' the shit for free... :rolleyes:
 
wow. add up the cost of the lumber and it would jump the price quite a bit for the "$800" studio build.

the ONLY bad i can think of in this forum is that some people jump others any chance they get instead of helping them, or saving their time and not responding at all. I've found a wealth of info on this forum, some stuff i knew, some was over my head, but all very useful.

Just Breathe man. everything will be okay.



Bless.
 
pandamonk said:
Found a link :D

Ohh, he managed it for under $800 because he got a load o' the shit for free... :rolleyes:
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Yes I did.Anyone else here could do the same.Take the 2" wood doors I
used as subfloor.They would have ended up in a dumpster had I not asked
about them.Most of my lumber was also scrounged off of jobsites.
The point I wanted to make with this thread is that building a decent
home studio can be as easy,or as hard as you want to make it.It is not
rocket science.It also doesnt have to cost you an arm and a leg.
 
I have a room within a room,floating floors,and no need for bass traps.
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Hmmmm, tell me then. Where did you learn about "rooms within a room" and "floating floors"....which btw makes no sense... a "room within a room" is BUILT on a floating floor...which makes the damn room a "floating room"

Now, did you "invent" this concept? I think not. Which is PRECISELY the point of this forum. Another thing, what makes you think building a room within a room with a ...ahem...floating floor...negates the need for bass traps? Do you have some magical formula for room geometry or two leaf membrane absorption mechanism that TOTALLY removes modal resonance, hmmmm? :rolleyes:
 
One other thing Mr. Studio Designer...maybe you can share with the members exactly how you reconciled local building codes requireing FIREBLOCKING within the airgap between your outer envelope and the inner envelope of your so called room within a room. P-U-L-LEEEESE....as I am sure at least one wall of your outer envelope is an EXTERIOR wall. :rolleyes:
 
Hart said:
Here, let me fix that for you.

NO pro studio has complete isolation.
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I don't know about you but I record exclusively in an anechoic chamber. :)
 
Rick, in all fairness, what a local bulding code requires would depend on where his locality is.
 
Rick, in all fairness, what a local bulding code requires would depend on where his locality is.
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I agree, however, if I'm not mistaken, FIRBLOCKING issues are covered in the USB(Uniform Buiding Code), and I'm quite confident EVERY local has a requirement of some kind for this. In fact, I've read different accounts from members regarding this, and in one that I can remember, the inspector frankly told the studio builder that there was NO reconciliation of "decoupling" and "fireblocking"...they didn't care about your isolation problem. PERIOD.
 
I don't know about you but I record exclusively in an anechoic chamber.
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:eek: Wow, thats too bad. How do your recordings translate? How long can you stand to be in there? I bet the sound of air molecules moving against your eardrums is maddening. :)
 
RICK FITZPATRICK said:
:eek: Wow, thats too bad. How do your recordings translate? How long can you stand to be in there? I bet the sound of air molecules moving against your eardrums is maddening. :)
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:D

I'd love the opportunity to stand in one for a little while though just to experience it. I've seen some of the pics floating around and WOW. They are a work of art all in their own class.
 
RICK FITZPATRICK said:
:eek: Wow, thats too bad. How do your recordings translate? How long can you stand to be in there? I bet the sound of air molecules moving against your eardrums is maddening. :)
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Well after I track in the anechoic chamber, I mix outside near the highway, just to get a nice balance. :)
 
Hart said:
:D

I'd love the opportunity to stand in one for a little while though just to experience it. I've seen some of the pics floating around and WOW. They are a work of art all in their own class.
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They are pretty cool. Kinda eery, but fun to experience.
 
RICK FITZPATRICK said:
One other thing Mr. Studio Designer...maybe you can share with the members exactly how you reconciled local building codes requireing FIREBLOCKING within the airgap between your outer envelope and the inner envelope of your so called room within a room. P-U-L-LEEEESE....as I am sure at least one wall of your outer envelope is an EXTERIOR wall. :rolleyes:
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See,this is a good example of someone acting far more important than they
actually are.What the hell would you know about code requirements in my
area.Let me tell you how I obtained my permit.I sat down with a blank sheet
of paper and a slide rule,and made a rough drawing of what I had in mind.I
took it down to city hall and showed it to the chief building inspector/long
time drinking buddy.He put his signature on the bottom of the drawing.I took
the drawing to the permit desk,gave them $20,they gave me a permit.I took
the permit home and started building.
It may interest you to know,that before I built my floating room,I sealed all
of my walls with Hilti intumescent fire caulking.I had two cases left over from
a large job that I contracted the fire stoppage on.It was not required that I
do so by local code,it's just that I hate home depot and I did not feel like
standing in line for 2 hrs for a couple of cases of silicone,so I used the expensive stuff.(Fuck it,the client payed for it.)
I'll give you two reasons why I dont feel I need bass traps:
1.The walls of my floating room are all reversed with the open cavity of the
framing facing the interior of the room.The cavity is filled with 2" 8 lb den-
ity rockwool,and covered with muslin. (the back side is covered with two layers of sheetrock,1/2 and 3/8)
2.I like the way the room sounds.Not saying that it could not be better,just saying that it works well for what I use it for,Which is mainly to record my
vox and an acoustic guitar.

The main thing any novice recordist(I count myself in that lot)should do to
get better is to do it as much as possible.Quit worrying over bullshit and just
do it.Build a room,record in it.Learn how your mixes translate to other invirons.A great room wont make you a great engineer.Experience will.
That being said,I sure wish I had left my garage unfinished and bought a
pool table.
 
SHEPPARDB. said:
See,this is a good example of someone acting far more important than they
actually are.What the hell would you know about code requirements in my
area.Let me tell you how I obtained my permit.I sat down with a blank sheet
of paper and a slide rule,and made a rough drawing of what I had in mind.I
took it down to city hall and showed it to the chief building inspector/long
time drinking buddy.He put his signature on the bottom of the drawing.I took
the drawing to the permit desk,gave them $20,they gave me a permit.I took
the permit home and started building.
It may interest you to know,that before I built my floating room,I sealed all
of my walls with Hilti intumescent fire caulking.I had two cases left over from
a large job that I contracted the fire stoppage on.It was not required that I
do so by local code,it's just that I hate home depot and I did not feel like
standing in line for 2 hrs for a couple of cases of silicone,so I used the expensive stuff.(Fuck it,the client payed for it.)
I'll give you two reasons why I dont feel I need bass traps:
1.The walls of my floating room are all reversed with the open cavity of the
framing facing the interior of the room.The cavity is filled with 2" 8 lb den-
ity rockwool,and covered with muslin. (the back side is covered with two layers of sheetrock,1/2 and 3/8)
2.I like the way the room sounds.Not saying that it could not be better,just saying that it works well for what I use it for,Which is mainly to record my
vox and an acoustic guitar.

The main thing any novice recordist(I count myself in that lot)should do to
get better is to do it as much as possible.Quit worrying over bullshit and just
do it.Build a room,record in it.Learn how your mixes translate to other invirons.A great room wont make you a great engineer.Experience will.
That being said,I sure wish I had left my garage unfinished and bought a
pool table.
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Btw the 2" rockwool will only really help in mid-high ranges. Ok it affects low slightly, but not much, and most room problems are in the low frequency, bass, range. Anyway, as long as it translates well in other rooms that's fine.

Btw Rick is an extremely important member, in my opinion, of the building forums of HR. He has offered countless suggestions and more help than anyone else. He has read more than you will ever read on the subject and knows his stuff. Even though all this, he still admits that he may be wrong, and that he doesn't know it all.
 
RICK FITZPATRICK said:
I agree, however, if I'm not mistaken, FIRBLOCKING issues are covered in the USB(Uniform Buiding Code), and I'm quite confident EVERY local has a requirement of some kind for this. In fact, I've read different accounts from members regarding this, and in one that I can remember, the inspector frankly told the studio builder that there was NO reconciliation of "decoupling" and "fireblocking"...they didn't care about your isolation problem. PERIOD.
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Rick,all bullshit aside,I dont think that inspector had a good understanding
of the code.I cant speak for all locals,but in my area this is no problem.I
really cant imagine how it would be anywhere else.The top plate of the
framing and the drywall provide fire blocking for the outer room.Same for
the floating room.The space in between is fire blocked by the spaces it
decouples.
 
pandamonk said:
Btw the 2" rockwool will only really help in mid-high ranges. Ok it affects low slightly, but not much, and most room problems are in the low frequency, bass, range. Anyway, as long as it translates well in other rooms that's fine.

Btw Rick is an extremely important member, in my opinion, of the building forums of HR. He has offered countless suggestions and more help than anyone else. He has read more than you will ever read on the subject and knows his stuff. Even though all this, he still admits that he may be wrong, and that he doesn't know it all.
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When I originally put the rockwool in,I pushed it all the way back into the cavity.I set up my bass rig and did a little test run.I ended up moving all of
it as far foward in the cavity as it would go,and it seemed a lot better to my ears.The small air gap between it and the drywall made a lot of difference.
As far as Rick goes,I have no probs with him.Seems to be informed enough.
 
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