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I have been doing home studio stuff for a while now with only digital equipment and am thinking about slowly collecting some (hopefully) nice analog equipment... I ran across a Teac Tascam 34B that comes with a whole bunch of new and used tapes for $500. The seller lives locally so I am able to check it out before I buy it.

So..
1.. is the 34b a decent machine?
2.. is the price reasonable?
3.. apparently it is in "excellent" cosmetic condition but where should i be looking in terms of inspection..

any input would be greatly appreciated.. i know #3 is probably tough when you are dealing with an amateur eye but i need some help as i am really excited to buy this thing.
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A lot depends on what you're planning to do, how many tracks you'll need and things like that. These days there are several ways of working:

1. Track on tape, mix to tape (the traditional way)
2. Track digitally, mix to tape
3. Track on tape, import into DAW, mix digitally

...and a plethora of in-betweens like tracking to digital through the tape machine (and compensating for the tape delay in the DAW)

The 34 seems to be a nice enough machine, but it does only have four tracks, so to my mind it's too few to track to, and too many to use for mixdown (a 2-track 1/4" machine will get you better quality than a 4-track one, since each track will be wider than on the '34).

It is possible to track entirely to a 4-track machine - a lot of the Beatles records, Surrealistic Pillow, SF Sorrow were all done on 4-track (though using 1-inch wide tape for most of them, probably 1/2" for the Airplane).
But be aware that they did it by constantly mixing down and copying to another tape deck, and thereby creating space to record more tracks on. This would be a pain in the ass and is not very user-friendly.
I think some people do that here, but I am not enough of a traditionalist to want to do it myself (and this is someone who labels his tapes with traditional Dymo labellers because a modern one would spoil the period look :P ).

What I did personally was I got a 2-track machine first and mixed things down to that. Then, when I was comfortable with using a tape deck, I got an 8-track machine and began tracking to that and mixing down to the 2-track machine.

At the end of the day a lot depends on the type of music. If you're going to be doing a rock opera or something, you'll almost certainly want more than 4 tracks, however you go about getting them. If you're doing a simple acoustic guitar and vocals only, you would probably get away with it.

Okay, shopping for a deck:

I don't know what the street value of a 34b is these days, but IMHO you could probably get a 1/2" 8-track deck for that kind of money. Even if you need more tracks than just 4, it might make a nice machine to cut your teeth on, but it's a little steep for a 'trainer' deck :P

The big question with these machines is always "are the heads okay?". You'd be looking at around $130 per head to replace them if they aren't. See if you can get the seller to get a decent photo of the heads, and post it here.
Other stuff, like the drive belt turning to goo is harder to establish without opening the machine up.

As for the tapes, it depends what they are. If they're Quantegy or RMGI branded, they should be good. If they're Ampex, it's quite likely that they have become sticky and you probably don't want to use them (though chucking the tape away and keeping the spools might be viable).

Anyway, that's my initial take, I hope it is useful.

Oh yeah, and if you are planning to track to 4-track tape, you will need a mixing desk, unless you're planning to dump the tracks back into the DAW as they are recorded.

I should probably also mention - since this has tripped some people up - that when I say 4 tracks, that is four MONO tracks. Some people have expected it to be four stereo channels, and then been disillusioned and all "Who would design it like that!?".
A 4-track machine isn't the best for stereo work, unless you have the patience of the Beatles or the Pretty Things. Or are recording very simple songs.

Hope that helps.
 
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cool. thanks.
as for the tapes they are

10.5" Scotch 3M 226... 4 of them sealed.. 5 used
1 Quantegy 456 10.5" take-up metal reel
 
10.5" Scotch 3M 226... 4 of them sealed.. 5 used
1 Quantegy 456 10.5" take-up metal reel

Okay, I'm not sure about the 226 stuff, someone else will have to comment on that. The Quantegy should be good, though.

Another thing to watch out for, like the drive belt, is whether the rubber pinch roller is becoming sticky. If so, it will need to be replaced or recoated. This isn't a major expense (unlike the heads) so it's not exactly a showstopper, but it is something to keep in mind.
Symptoms of the belt going are if the machine won't play, but does fast-wind, or if it can't maintain the playback speed properly.
The pinch roller can have similar effects, but unlike the belt the roller is exposed so you can prod it and see if it's okay.
 
my opinion ... take it with a grain of salt, because i am not the majority but i have used a bunch of different tascam and teac stuff:

* the price is steep, especially for a local sale -- it's a buyer's market in general, and the guy is probably less likely to sell it locally than on eBay. of course, you save on shipping by dealing locally, but the seller also saves himself a major headache getting the thing listed on eBay, eBay/paypal fees, boxing and shipping, dealing with a buyer getting what he didn't expect, etc ... basically, what i'm saying is that you have a LOT of wiggle room on the price. $300 would seem fair, but quite honestly, you can probably get one for less if you hunt around.

* that's an '80s era deck, so it's not really a "vibe machine" ... i personally would WAY rather record stuff on a teac 3340 4-track if i were going to use the 1/4" 4-track format. if you're looking for character, old-school sound, etc, the '70s decks have a lot more of that. for $500, you could probably get a 1/2" 4-track "pro" machine (but that's a whole other world, very large decks, more potential issues, less user-friendly, etc).

* jpmorris is right on as well ... 8-track is generally a much easier format to get started on ... 4-track is limiting and you really have to get your stuff together. that said, i think 4-track is a fine format but you really have to use a different approach. utlimately, i like the idea of going back to 4-track myself and probably will at some point BUT ... it really goes like this: with 4-track, you are recording mixing along the way by bouncing. the appeal for me is to make your decisions sooner and along the way instead of waiting for mixdown. the flipside is you really have to think ahead and really be on during the process.

SO ... assuming you're cool with 4-track, and you're cool with an '80s deck (which really doesn't have a "vintage" sound in my opinion, but still tape-y, just more neutral), then i wouldn't pay more than $300.

Re: tapes -- the quantegy should be fine, the scotch iffy, depends on the year and i wouldn't really consider that to be worth much except for the metal reels ... it's a known problem-tape but you never know. essentially, i would not factor in the tape because it's a crapshoot in general.
 
thanks to both of you i am no longer excited.
definitely not going to buy it.
i'm just so god damn antsy to record with tape in my studio but i can't find any pieces of equipment that are local.
ebay is so-so but as a guitarist i have never bought anything that i haven't had my hands on first.
i expand that motto to my recording gear too. so basically - i'm afraid of ebay.
guess i should just hit up all the pawn shops in my area and hope i get lucky.
 
if you tell everyone what part of the country your in it may help.............someone might know some machines for sale!
 
Hey, I didn’t mean to completely discourage you … if you’re real antsy to record with tape, it wouldn’t hurt to get your foot in the door with that deck if it’s in good working order. Just don’t pay $500 for it; offer him $250 and go from there. eBay is okay for buying things, just make sure to buy from someone reputable, or bid accordingly and pay a tech to setup/repair it. there are also guys that refurbish, sell & ship tape decks, but you pay a lot more for those. I’ve bought most or my stuff via long distance, mostly ebay … you win some, you lose some but that kind of comes with the territory. just find a guy locally who can help you out if you need it, a lot of times basic stereo/TV repair shops can work on Teac/Tascam stuff.

Maybe you could start on cassette 4-track or something, just to mess around? Little investment, you’ll start learning the basics, and you might even get yourself some cool recordings out of them. you can find those for $30-$120-ish on eBay and they are real easy to use.

Oh, and pawn shops are probably more risky than eBay quite honestly.
 
it's ok!
i appreciated all of the responses.
i still might buy it if i can get him down to around $300. i just don't have a lot of cash to throw away right now so i figured that it may be a good unit to get my feet wet with.....
but within the next couple months i would like to grab some sort of 8-track 1/2" machine..

yeah? no pawn shops eh... i was thinking that maybe i could get lucky and find something that the owner of the store knows nothing about. hasn't that ever happened to anyone? i do like to dream..
 
it's ok!
yeah? no pawn shops eh... i was thinking that maybe i could get lucky and find something that the owner of the store knows nothing about. hasn't that ever happened to anyone? i do like to dream..

while that might be cool for guitars, you really don't want to buy a tape machine that the seller knows nothing about unless you know a lot about it! it's really best to buy from a trustworthy source who can tell you the history, potential issues, etc. good luck !
 
I am one of those that loves 4 tracks. I have 2 tascam 22-4,s and a 38. I would at least call the guy and ask if he would show you if each channel plays and records. Then make him a offer. Dont forget the tape has value also Im not sure about the 226 If you do a search on this forum there is a thread that says if that tape is good or bad. If its good that is worth alot. 4 track can and is for some alot of fun. I didnt see what you where into recording so that could be a big factor in if a 4 track will work for you. The 34b has more value then just a plain 34 cause it has microphone inputs on the back and can be useful. If I was in the market to get started in analog I would be on that like a Duck on a June bug. There is a heck of alot to be said for being able to go look at it and see it run.
 
hey uhh so i am thinking about buying the 3340 that harv mentioned... because it's cheap and i'm cheap (right now).
i know i could probably search and find it but since i sort of have some attention going on right now...
what kind of tape is the best to use with that machine and does anyone have any suggestions as to where i could snatch some up?
 
Im not too sure of what type of tape to use for the 3340,but I got some LPR35 for my Tascam 388 from a place called
Teletech in Markham.
 
ahh thanks harv... but i'm back in my original boat though.. i'm going to take note of the place in markham for sure..

gonna go with the tascam 34b. he's giving me a good chunk of tape to start out with and it looks like it's in really good shape.. the other two units are a bit of a drive..
anywaysssss.... so i stumbled upon this photo, which was in a different ad he placed for it..

Teac Tascam 34B reel to reel tape recorder Photo - Canuck Audio Mart

does that seem to be in good shape?
and any input on 10.5” Scotch 3M 226 mastering tape?
 
Good stuff.
Teletech will service pretty much any tape machine.And they have all kinds of tape,cables,etc and all other kinds of tape related goodies.
Good luck with the 34b.
 
...i just don't have a lot of cash to throw away right now...

Then you must leave this forum immediately!

But seriously, if you are on a tight budget and you already have a good digital setup I would be tracking to tape then mixing digitally. You haven't told us what music and how many instruments you want to record... this is very important in deciding what deck is suitable for you.
 
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