New to analog, about tape life

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Hi folks,
I was wondering how many times can one re record on 1/4 tape that is in good condition?
Dose the sound quality diminish after it has been recorded on the first time?
Is it a bad idea to purchase pre used tape? :eek:
I suppose the state of tape recorder etc is a factor.

Thanks Luke.
 
Hi,

You can record as many times as you want (I guess not infinitely but at least until you get bored :) ). The sound quality will not suffer from the first time.
 
lukeslim said:
Hi folks,
I was wondering how many times can one re record on 1/4 tape that is in good condition?
Dose the sound quality diminish after it has been recorded on the first time?
Is it a bad idea to purchase pre used tape? :eek:
I suppose the state of tape recorder etc is a factor.

Thanks Luke.

You can use tape over and over until it wears away. Buying pre-used tape is fine if you buy it from a reputable source like TapeTape. Keep the recorder very clean and store tape in plastic bags with the dissicant bags to absorb moisture. If you keep the tapes cool and dry, and store them vertically side by side, they shouyld last a good long time.
 
lukeslim said:
Hi folks,
I was wondering how many times can one re record on 1/4 tape that is in good condition?
Dose the sound quality diminish after it has been recorded on the first time?
Is it a bad idea to purchase pre used tape? :eek:
I suppose the state of tape recorder etc is a factor.

Is it practicale to record over some used tape i brought it has radio broadcast on it and looks in excellent order?

Thanks Luke.

Yes you can record over existing material but it is best to bulk erase it first with a degausser.

Years ago when Maxell was still making UD 35-90 They stated 1000 passes before the tape would have significant dropouts and other audible signs of wear. That would be under ideal conditions, but you can still interpret that as meaning “lots and lots of passes.”

So-called one-pass tape can be fine or it can be unusable depending on several factors:

1. Buying tape made in the 70’s and 80’s – even to early 90’s is risky because of a chemical breakdown called “Sticky Shed Syndrome.” There is a lot of old (too old) tape on eBay, so be careful. This goes for both used and sealed tape. It depends on the brand. I’ve never found Maxell with sticky shed, even from the late 70’s.

2. Once a tape is opened you can’t be sure if the tape on the reel matches the label on the box. The reel could accidentally or on purpose be an older tape, or a different kind or brand altogether.

3. You can never be sure of the history of used tape. It could be one-pass or could have been used many times by people who didn’t know how to handle or store tape. It could also have been used on machines that were out of alignment or just plain clunky and hard on tape. Therefore you my get tape with edge damage and/or stretched, even though it has few passes.

Buy new tape when you can. You will feel better. Don’t buy even new-old-stock Ampex tape on eBay unless the seller can tell you the date it was made. Buy only 1995 and newer to be sure (late 1994 tape was good, but if you stick with 1995 as a cutoff you’ll be safe).

Ampex didn’t put dates on the outside of the box for 7” in later years. There is one other way to tell. Ask the seller to look on the back of the box to see where it was made. If it says Redwood California it may be sticky. If it says Opelika Alabama it is good. When Quantegy first bought Ampex they kept the Ampex name, so the boxes look the same except for this address. All Quantegy branded tape is good. All 499 is good regardless of where it was made.

In general, the best pre-used tape is the tape you bought new and only used yourself. With the high price of new tape right now the temptation to buy used is greater than ever. Just remember, it’s a crapshoot for the uninitiated. ;)


-Tim
 
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Beck said:
Ampex didn’t put dates on the outside of the box for 7” in later years. There is one other way to tell. Ask the seller to look on the back of the box to see where it was made. If it says Redwood California it may be sticky. If it says Opelika Alabama it is good. When Quantegy first bought Ampex they kept the Ampex name, so the boxes look the same except for this address. All Quantegy branded tape is good. All 499 is good regardless of where it was made.
Just to double-check, that is true for all types, not just 7", yes?

In general, the best pre-used tape is the tape you bought new and only used yourself. With the high price of new tape right now the temptation to buy used is greater than ever. Just remember, it’s a crapshoot for the uninitiated. ;)
-Tim
It's not so much the high price, but more the near-total unavailability of tapestock that is driving me to purchase used stock on ebay. I know of exactly one supplier in the UK who is likely to have stock, and although I'm eagerly awaiting the promised RMGI tape, last time I asked they hadn't even begun to think about UK distribution channels.
 
jpmorris said:
Just to double-check, that is true for all types, not just 7", yes?

Yes, that is correct. All the 10.5" reels I've seen have a date, but if it is faded or missing the above guidelines apply.


jpmorris said:
It's not so much the high price, but more the near-total unavailability of tapestock that is driving me to purchase used stock on ebay. I know of exactly one supplier in the UK who is likely to have stock, and although I'm eagerly awaiting the promised RMGI tape, last time I asked they hadn't even begun to think about UK distribution channels.

Yeah, I'm getting ahead of myself, thinking of higher prices once availability is back to normal.

If you must buy used tape, just be aware of the pitfalls while looking.

Another little tip: Don't buy Ampex in boxes that look like these if you want to be 100% sure of no sticky shed. They are 1993 and older. You will notice that the second pic looks similar to the newer boxes, but it is different -- the label is higher, in the middle. The newer Ampex and Quantegy boxes (since 1994) have the label across the bottom front.

-Tim :)
 

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Beck said:
Another little tip: Don't but Ampex in boxes that look like these if you want to be 100% sure of no sticky shed. They are 1993 and older. You will notice that the second pic looks similar to the newer boxes, but it is different -- the label is higher, in the middle. The newer Ampex and Quantegy boxes (since 1994) have the label across the bottom front.
-Tim :)
That is very interesting, especially the second picture. I had a quick look at my library (which included tapes that came with the machine) and totally freaked out before remembering that I'd immediately junked that tape and replaced it with new stock from a pancake. It's also reassuring to know that the 1995 stuff I got from ebay is the newer stuff, although I still doubt I'll use it for anything super-valuable.
 
Thanks everyone for the info I feel a lot better.

Cheers Luke.
 
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