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CyanJaguar
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The kick is too loud in relation to everything else.
Everything else is too soft in relation to the kick. You need to limit so that it can be louder and you can realize the full range.
The kick sounds small even though its punchy.
Why are you hiding the vocal behind a wall of effects. Lets hear the real vocal.
Other than that, I seriously dig the creativity of this piece. Polished, nice singer, especially when he had that celtic thing going. Nice arrangement and choice of sounds.
What sound module did you use?
Why dont you put it on your server as an mp3. IT woul;d be more accesible that way.
Funk on!
Everything else is too soft in relation to the kick. You need to limit so that it can be louder and you can realize the full range.
The kick sounds small even though its punchy.
Why are you hiding the vocal behind a wall of effects. Lets hear the real vocal.
Other than that, I seriously dig the creativity of this piece. Polished, nice singer, especially when he had that celtic thing going. Nice arrangement and choice of sounds.
What sound module did you use?
Why dont you put it on your server as an mp3. IT woul;d be more accesible that way.
Funk on!
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jumpingflash
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First of all... thanx... I was working on the kick right now.... giving it a bit more low freq and lowering the volume...
The voice was meant to be under a lot of effect... but i still didn't find the right "sound"....
FOr the module... I use a Roland XV-3080 and a Yamaha CS6R...
Thanx, and whoever wants to comment and give some more advice I would be happy !!
Thanx Cyan!
(ps. : the singer is.. ME !!... )
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jumpingflash
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C'mon don't be afraid.... tell me something guys !!
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
put it somewhere where I don't have to download a zip file, unzip it, etc.......then I'll probably respond.
you might check out other peoples stuff, and most often, people will then reciprocate with your stuff. It yanks my chain when people put their stuff up, and you never see their replys on any other threads...but they end up contributing the most responses on their own threads....typically begging for replies...and bumping their post back to the top.
Also, admittedly, I'm not too fond of listening to "beta" ideas....or rough tracks. Put up something you think you've finished, and then you might get more meaningful responses. If you're stumped, prior to mixing...that's another issue, but you didn't mention anything to the case.
Sorry to be so 'one-sided' with my thoughts, but I think that it might also be a general consensus in the clinic.
btw, nowhereradio will host your stuff and allow streaming of your mp3 files.....highly recommended.
you might check out other peoples stuff, and most often, people will then reciprocate with your stuff. It yanks my chain when people put their stuff up, and you never see their replys on any other threads...but they end up contributing the most responses on their own threads....typically begging for replies...and bumping their post back to the top.
Also, admittedly, I'm not too fond of listening to "beta" ideas....or rough tracks. Put up something you think you've finished, and then you might get more meaningful responses. If you're stumped, prior to mixing...that's another issue, but you didn't mention anything to the case.
Sorry to be so 'one-sided' with my thoughts, but I think that it might also be a general consensus in the clinic.
btw, nowhereradio will host your stuff and allow streaming of your mp3 files.....highly recommended.
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neirbo
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Cool music! Not my normal taste, but it is interesting. I can't tell too much about the mix on my crappy computer speakers, but the fact that I can hear the kick clearly make me think it would be too loud on "real" speakers.
I think this type of style would benefit from some cool effects, like alternating the panning of the background synth part (the staccato part) back and forth, or adding a heavy flange to the "main" synth part (the long notes). Or, adding along delay to the vocal track on the last part of each verse so it kind of trails off.
I also think bringing in a heavy snare (lots of reverb) somewhere in the middle of the song could add a nice heavy, dance effect. Maybe when you bring in the staccato synth part.
I really liked the weird vocal effect you bring in about half way through. Sounds almost like a synthesized trumpet. Very cool.
I think this type of style would benefit from some cool effects, like alternating the panning of the background synth part (the staccato part) back and forth, or adding a heavy flange to the "main" synth part (the long notes). Or, adding along delay to the vocal track on the last part of each verse so it kind of trails off.
I also think bringing in a heavy snare (lots of reverb) somewhere in the middle of the song could add a nice heavy, dance effect. Maybe when you bring in the staccato synth part.
I really liked the weird vocal effect you bring in about half way through. Sounds almost like a synthesized trumpet. Very cool.
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TripleM
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Mix gave you some pretty good advice. Nowhere is a nice site. Additionally, zip algorithms don't work well on sound files. Your mp3 isn't much larger than the zip file. It creates an extra step without giving much benefit.
I listened anyway - I have the bandwitdth at work. But I have cheap headphones
I'm not much of a techno person. But I liked most of the instrumenentation. Some of the techno effects got a little repetitive. The sound on the kick drum was real nice - although I'm not sure how it going to sound on a good stereo. Could be a bit overpowering. The vocals get buried here and there - some EQing may help here. Other than that, a pretty good job.
I listened anyway - I have the bandwitdth at work. But I have cheap headphones
I'm not much of a techno person. But I liked most of the instrumenentation. Some of the techno effects got a little repetitive. The sound on the kick drum was real nice - although I'm not sure how it going to sound on a good stereo. Could be a bit overpowering. The vocals get buried here and there - some EQing may help here. Other than that, a pretty good job.
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jumpingflash
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Hi all !!
Thanx for replying and for giving your precious advice.
MIXMKR :
you are right about the mp3/zip format, just my server does not allow you to upolad mp3 files, and putting them on nowhereradio will be my next step (thanx for that!).
As for my replies on other people's stuff does not mean I don't listen to their stuff (i do and really a lot!), just I don't feel I am experienced enough to give advice to someone.
I did quite a few times, but i think i still need some more musik making before i start judging other people's work.
And for the "beta" track you got a point there, but I am too curious of what other people may think and cannot wait until I finished the job...
TRIPLE M :
I will higher the vocals here and thre ad EQ them better, just what do you think is the range vocals should be raised (frequency).. ?
NEIRBO :
I am working on some things that will spice up the song, but thanx a lot for the ideas, I really will use some of those thoughts.
So people thatx for your time, hope I will finish this soon.
Thanx for replying and for giving your precious advice.
MIXMKR :
you are right about the mp3/zip format, just my server does not allow you to upolad mp3 files, and putting them on nowhereradio will be my next step (thanx for that!).
As for my replies on other people's stuff does not mean I don't listen to their stuff (i do and really a lot!), just I don't feel I am experienced enough to give advice to someone.
I did quite a few times, but i think i still need some more musik making before i start judging other people's work.
And for the "beta" track you got a point there, but I am too curious of what other people may think and cannot wait until I finished the job...
TRIPLE M :
I will higher the vocals here and thre ad EQ them better, just what do you think is the range vocals should be raised (frequency).. ?
NEIRBO :
I am working on some things that will spice up the song, but thanx a lot for the ideas, I really will use some of those thoughts.
So people thatx for your time, hope I will finish this soon.
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TripleM
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Hey I deleted your song, so it's pretty tough to answer the question (it'd probably be tough anyway). If I remember right, this was a song where the vocals got buried by a guitar part. I might recommend that you first see if you can bring out the vocals by cutting the guitar frequencies. After that try to boost the vocals only as much as necessary.
I don't know what equipment you have, but in these situations, it's best to use the EQ to first scan the frequencies of the track in question to determine what frequencies need to be addressed. How you do that is going to be dependent somewhat on what equipment/software you have.
If you have a parametric EQ, you can boost or cut a small notch on the track in question. Start with the low end and as the track is playing, gradually scan your way up the frequency range. Along the way, pay attention to spots that jump out. Those will be the frequencies you'll want to address.
Someone who's better at this than me can probably explain it a whole lot better.
I don't know what equipment you have, but in these situations, it's best to use the EQ to first scan the frequencies of the track in question to determine what frequencies need to be addressed. How you do that is going to be dependent somewhat on what equipment/software you have.
If you have a parametric EQ, you can boost or cut a small notch on the track in question. Start with the low end and as the track is playing, gradually scan your way up the frequency range. Along the way, pay attention to spots that jump out. Those will be the frequencies you'll want to address.
Someone who's better at this than me can probably explain it a whole lot better.
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jumpingflash
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Thanx a lot !!!
Really appreciate your help...
Going to use that right now !!
Really appreciate your help...
Going to use that right now !!
crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
Whenever i read posts that say "this is a rough mix" or "this is not done" I just move on to the next post, unless there is some good reason that the music is posted that way. I prefer to see people care enough about what they do to put in the time to make it the best they can before asking for advice. I figure that if somebody doesn't care enough about their own music to really work hard on it, they probably won't do anything with my advice either.
nave
Cave Relic
In all due respect
I don't want to start a war here BUT
....not every one here has been recording for 10 or 20 some odd years like some of you.....Some of us are really only capabable of putting up "rough mixes" and getting songs out of the "beta" stage is a trial. Not to mention that alot people have pretty fragile egos when it comes to their music and knowing how tough people are in the mp3 clinic here, I don't blame them for saying it's a rough mix when they post.....Just because something is a rough mix doesn't mean that there wasn't effort put into it.... And I've listened to your music crawdad and mixmkr's mixes and they are both very good and I feel that people like you could probably offer the most to someone who has a rough mix AND not listening to tunes just because some one expresses a hint of trepidation about posting a tune is really quite a shame.....Furthermore, one person's idea of rough is another's idea of finished and vice versa...it's all relative and anything one says about there own work should be probably taken with a grain of salt...It's hard to be judgemental about your own material...That all said, Personally, I think it is fun and rewarding to listen to ideas in the "beta stage" because it's neat to see the potential that is there in the song. Infact, with a few exceptions, that is how I tend to view everything I listen to in the mp3 clinic: that is rough and beta. That is the fun of this place. Ultimately it is a "rough" and "beta idea" place and I like that. This is a homerecording site and essential everyones ideas, whether you like it or not, are to some extent beta and rough....If you want a finished mix then why not just pop in your favorite comercial CD.........
and ofcourse that's just my opinion...it's not a personal attack on anyone....relatively speaking this place is fantastic...and sorry jump for butting in with this.
I don't want to start a war here BUT
....not every one here has been recording for 10 or 20 some odd years like some of you.....Some of us are really only capabable of putting up "rough mixes" and getting songs out of the "beta" stage is a trial. Not to mention that alot people have pretty fragile egos when it comes to their music and knowing how tough people are in the mp3 clinic here, I don't blame them for saying it's a rough mix when they post.....Just because something is a rough mix doesn't mean that there wasn't effort put into it.... And I've listened to your music crawdad and mixmkr's mixes and they are both very good and I feel that people like you could probably offer the most to someone who has a rough mix AND not listening to tunes just because some one expresses a hint of trepidation about posting a tune is really quite a shame.....Furthermore, one person's idea of rough is another's idea of finished and vice versa...it's all relative and anything one says about there own work should be probably taken with a grain of salt...It's hard to be judgemental about your own material...That all said, Personally, I think it is fun and rewarding to listen to ideas in the "beta stage" because it's neat to see the potential that is there in the song. Infact, with a few exceptions, that is how I tend to view everything I listen to in the mp3 clinic: that is rough and beta. That is the fun of this place. Ultimately it is a "rough" and "beta idea" place and I like that. This is a homerecording site and essential everyones ideas, whether you like it or not, are to some extent beta and rough....If you want a finished mix then why not just pop in your favorite comercial CD.........
and ofcourse that's just my opinion...it's not a personal attack on anyone....relatively speaking this place is fantastic...and sorry jump for butting in with this.
crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
nave--I understand your point of view and don't take what you say as anything personal. I don't want to intimidate anybody either--quite the opposite. I want to encourage people to work hard on their music, thats all.
Its one thing when somebody has a specific question, like "I'm having trouble getting this mix balanced" or "do you think the arrangement is too busy" or whatever. Posting something half done and asking "what do you think" seems kind of pointless. What I do like seeing is somebody posting their best and getting suggestions--then coming back with something even better. Then the purpose of this forum shines!
I like to hear peoples experiments too, like recording the drums with three mics or using a certain mic technique on an instrument.
I certainly realise that there are people at all different levels of knowledge as far as recording is concerned, and I certainly don't put myself at the top of that pile. I still have lots to learn. I do try and help whenever I can.
There is a difference between lack of knowledge and lack of effort, thats all. I have sometimes spent weeks and months tweaking a mix because sometimes thats what it takes to get a handle on it. The big boys don't whip off a master mix in a half an hour. They work their asses off going into great depth and detail to achieve results. I've seen pros spend six weeks mixing a CD--all day every day in the studio. Assuming that we are all hoping to someday get results that good, we should understand that it takes lots of time and patience to do great work. To me, posting something left unfinished, without a specific purpose, is like saying its not really all that important. Sorry, but that is how I feel.
Understand, I'm not asking for perfection from anyone--just their best effort. Jumpingflash said these are just ideas. If I started posting every idea I had here, there'd be no more bandwidth! The first step in improving is not getting advice. Its giving your best effort to your own work.
I support anybody who does the best they can with what they have, period. The best advice I could give anyone at any stage of development is this: never settle for anything less than your best. Did you write the song rock solid? Are the parts recorded and played to the best of your ability? Did you work on the mix until it was the best you could do. If so, and you are not satisfied, or you just aren't sure, thats the time to come asking for assistance and advice. Cause, at that point, you're paying attention and you are gonna learn something. The only people I have ever seen succeed in music set a standard for themselves and never quit until they had achieved that standard. I think that is good advice for anybody at any level.
Thats just my personal view--and, yes...I get cranky about this stuff sometimes, so feel free to ignore me if you don't agree. Please, I mean to offend no one. I'm out...
Its one thing when somebody has a specific question, like "I'm having trouble getting this mix balanced" or "do you think the arrangement is too busy" or whatever. Posting something half done and asking "what do you think" seems kind of pointless. What I do like seeing is somebody posting their best and getting suggestions--then coming back with something even better. Then the purpose of this forum shines!
I like to hear peoples experiments too, like recording the drums with three mics or using a certain mic technique on an instrument.
I certainly realise that there are people at all different levels of knowledge as far as recording is concerned, and I certainly don't put myself at the top of that pile. I still have lots to learn. I do try and help whenever I can.
There is a difference between lack of knowledge and lack of effort, thats all. I have sometimes spent weeks and months tweaking a mix because sometimes thats what it takes to get a handle on it. The big boys don't whip off a master mix in a half an hour. They work their asses off going into great depth and detail to achieve results. I've seen pros spend six weeks mixing a CD--all day every day in the studio. Assuming that we are all hoping to someday get results that good, we should understand that it takes lots of time and patience to do great work. To me, posting something left unfinished, without a specific purpose, is like saying its not really all that important. Sorry, but that is how I feel.
Understand, I'm not asking for perfection from anyone--just their best effort. Jumpingflash said these are just ideas. If I started posting every idea I had here, there'd be no more bandwidth! The first step in improving is not getting advice. Its giving your best effort to your own work.
I support anybody who does the best they can with what they have, period. The best advice I could give anyone at any stage of development is this: never settle for anything less than your best. Did you write the song rock solid? Are the parts recorded and played to the best of your ability? Did you work on the mix until it was the best you could do. If so, and you are not satisfied, or you just aren't sure, thats the time to come asking for assistance and advice. Cause, at that point, you're paying attention and you are gonna learn something. The only people I have ever seen succeed in music set a standard for themselves and never quit until they had achieved that standard. I think that is good advice for anybody at any level.
Thats just my personal view--and, yes...I get cranky about this stuff sometimes, so feel free to ignore me if you don't agree. Please, I mean to offend no one. I'm out...
Stratomaster
Active member
This reminds me of the music the guy (killer) listens to in his basement dungeon in silence of the lambs. Haha---
I agree about the kick drum-but once the music gets going it didnt bother me as much. I didnt like that synth bass sound that comes in like every 4 or 8 beats especially in the beginning, but once again when everything got going it seemed to fit better. I liked the vocals they way they floated around in the background-the high parts sounded real cool too. Good tune-mix didnt seem too bad either.
I agree about the kick drum-but once the music gets going it didnt bother me as much. I didnt like that synth bass sound that comes in like every 4 or 8 beats especially in the beginning, but once again when everything got going it seemed to fit better. I liked the vocals they way they floated around in the background-the high parts sounded real cool too. Good tune-mix didnt seem too bad either.
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jumpingflash
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Well...
What can i say... I think the purpose of this forum is to make possible for people like me, who are not pro and are trying to find their own musical way, to get advices from people who have been in the music business for years, or anyhow know more than me, and help me find and understand the right techniques for recording and mixing my music...
Now what would be the point if everybody posted JUST final/ready-for-mastering music ?
Yeah everybody would be there commenting (as they hate to hear beta music), but commenting on a FINAL work !!!
All the effort put into that work could be destroyed by 10 people saying "I really hate your mix", so don't you think next time this guy would post a beta and try to get suggestions BEFORE getting to a final stage from where it is more difficult to improve ?
This is just my idea, and i really thank everybody that came here and left a comment.
Thanx to everybody, i will be back soon wuth some more (hopefully finished!! )
What can i say... I think the purpose of this forum is to make possible for people like me, who are not pro and are trying to find their own musical way, to get advices from people who have been in the music business for years, or anyhow know more than me, and help me find and understand the right techniques for recording and mixing my music...
Now what would be the point if everybody posted JUST final/ready-for-mastering music ?
Yeah everybody would be there commenting (as they hate to hear beta music), but commenting on a FINAL work !!!
All the effort put into that work could be destroyed by 10 people saying "I really hate your mix", so don't you think next time this guy would post a beta and try to get suggestions BEFORE getting to a final stage from where it is more difficult to improve ?
This is just my idea, and i really thank everybody that came here and left a comment.
Thanx to everybody, i will be back soon wuth some more (hopefully finished!!
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B.SABBATH
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cool thread
hey jumpinflash, I'm listening to it and agree with the comments about the kick drum being loud etc... pretty dark tune though.. I like it.. Not really my style as far as the techno aspect but I like some of those vocal sounds and the dark mood.. The part at 2:30 was very cool... I like that effect..I wasnt crazy about that main synth sound but it's probably what is used in these types of tunes.. maybe lower that synth a bit......maybe not..
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sam
hey jumpinflash, I'm listening to it and agree with the comments about the kick drum being loud etc... pretty dark tune though.. I like it.. Not really my style as far as the techno aspect but I like some of those vocal sounds and the dark mood.. The part at 2:30 was very cool... I like that effect..I wasnt crazy about that main synth sound but it's probably what is used in these types of tunes.. maybe lower that synth a bit......maybe not..
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jumpingflash
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THANX B.sabbath...
Going to make it a bit less dark anyway, as while i am working at it i start disliking/liking things....!!
Glad you enjoyed it enought to write a line
Thanxxxxx
ps.s. :it is not supposed to be techno though ... More a Jean Michel Jarre thing..
Going to make it a bit less dark anyway, as while i am working at it i start disliking/liking things....!!
Glad you enjoyed it enought to write a line
Thanxxxxx
ps.s. :it is not supposed to be techno though ... More a Jean Michel Jarre thing..
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
jumpingflash said:Well...
What can i say... I think the purpose of this forum is to make possible for people like me, who are not pro and are trying to find their own musical way, to get advices from people who have been in the music business for years, or anyhow know more than me, and help me find and understand the right techniques for recording and mixing my music...
Now what would be the point if everybody posted JUST final/ready-for-mastering music ?
Yeah everybody would be there commenting (as they hate to hear beta music), but commenting on a FINAL work !!!
All the effort put into that work could be destroyed by 10 people saying "I really hate your mix", so don't you think next time this guy would post a beta and try to get suggestions BEFORE getting to a final stage from where it is more difficult to improve ?
This is just my idea, and i really thank everybody that came here and left a comment.
Thanx to everybody, i will be back soon wuth some more (hopefully finished!!
I'll leave another comment then...isn't this forum also about people that may (or may not) be pro, and to hear comments of THEIR finished stuff from "uneducated ears" to see what kind of feedback the 'masses' have? (but apparently some people don't feel the need to do so if their stuff "apparently" isn't as polished....they have no "right". I say bullshit..be considerate and exchange the time with a comment from the people that reply. I know I miss a few myself, but I at least try, rather than admit not wanting to do so).
your 2nd paragraph...of what would be the point of finished mixes...
well..fuck it.. I'm not going there anymore...this whole thing has gotten so blown out of proportion, and gotten rediculous. Trying to explain shit via the internet is so aggravating sometimes.....
btw...your kick drum is too overbearing and doesn't sound either electronic, nor real to me. At least in the first half of the song (up to 2:21).. .. and kinda a lousy sample. I like the other synths and the sounds, as I like synth music very much. Very hard to understand the vocals, and feel they are to drenched in effects, and not up to par with the nice synth sounds you get in some patches. I much preferred the electronic female voices towards the 3min mark. To me, this music sounds very typically European, electronica...along the lines of a synth heavy ABBA. Ah...you're from Europe...that would explain (and why my stuff sounds like lousy American crap!). An abrupt, unexpected ending for sure.
Peace,
Chris
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jumpingflash
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MIXMKR... you were clear enough !!
Just I am one of those who would certainly help in the things i really know something about (like I moderate 3 sections in a forum), and would not avoid helping just because the question is stupid (like here the mix is unfinished), or else...
I will owrk on the song and I had a lot of input from you all already, so I am happy for that !
I LOVE this forum, just sometimes people can be nasty with us "young" musicians...
Just I am one of those who would certainly help in the things i really know something about (like I moderate 3 sections in a forum), and would not avoid helping just because the question is stupid (like here the mix is unfinished), or else...
I will owrk on the song and I had a lot of input from you all already, so I am happy for that !
I LOVE this forum, just sometimes people can be nasty with us "young" musicians...
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CyanJaguar
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mixmkr said:
what yanks my chain is when I listen to someone's song and really go in-depth with what I hear as far as critiques, and then when its my turn to post, they igonre my effort. It bugs me, but I have gotten used to it, since , its not my ultimate goal.
Anyhow, I relate to what mixmkr said about putting up "rough mixes". I dont want to hear a mix that is is not representative of the engineer/artist's vision of the mix.
I also dont like it when one puts up a mix that is already finished and cant be worked on any longer(unless ,of course, they say "hey, this mix is finished, enjoy the song and tell me what you think")
It is understandable, however, if one has worked hard on a mix and is putting it up for critiques before commiting it irrevokably to a mastering engineer or something.