New metal track from my band, let me know what you think!

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jimmys69,
Yeah I know what you meant but still couldn't resist pointing out the way it read.
When the performance is rendered convincing by passion and "feel" it would be a shame to ditch it when it may be tweaked.
 
10 posts so here it is! Feels good to be able to post links haha:



So this is my latest mix based on the suggestions I got on the first couple pages. Thanks again!
 
Well, when I read the first post, I thought "how they gonna do metal with a Fender combo?" As I suspected, it doesn't work. The guitars sound small and scratchy. It's hard to get into the mix with the guitars being so wrong for the style, loud in the mix, and the performances never really "lock in" to me. It seems loose. The vocals are pretty terrible. I know screamy and growly with a melodic part sprinkled in is all the rage right now, but it just doesn't work for me. The vocal performance seems contrived when angry, and pitchy and kind of weak when melodic. I guess the drums and bass are okay, but again, it's hard to really get into it with the weaknesses being as glaring as they are. Man, I'd suggest a total redo of the guitars and vocals. Rent an amp, or use a sim, or do whatever it takes to get the guitars more meaty and chunky. Have all the riffs, licks, and chugs lock in with the drums. Redo the vocals. Pay attention to timing and pitch. With better source sounds you'll be able to get a better mix.
 
The majority of people don't like metal and heavy singing, I get that and it is what it is. I worked with what I had access to and was looking for input on how to mix better or clear up the mud in the mix. I'm into metal, the guys I play with are into metal, we play metal. It's clear you don't listen to metal.

I respect your opinion and appreciate the time you took to give your thoughts, bad or good, regardless. However, I'm confused to be honest at why you think the performances are "loose" sounding to you. As in not performed well? Are they out of time? Do the guitars have bad notes in them as in the guitarist hit wrong notes? You guess the drums and bass are okay? haha It's hard to get into it with weaknesses being glaring? You seriously think it's that bad?

To each there own, but telling me everything sucks, except for the bass and drums, which are ok you guess for a non-professional HOME recording.. Isn't that what this is all about. HOME recordings. Mind giving me some positive feedback of how I can improve my non-professional home mix?, instead of telling me I did everything wrong and should start over?

Sorry dude, I don't know. You kind of threw me off buy telling me everything sucks and I should start over. Where's the help? There's plenty of negativity in the world already!
 
The majority of people don't like metal and heavy singing, I get that and it is what it is. I worked with what I had access to and was looking for input on how to mix better or clear up the mud in the mix. I'm into metal, the guys I play with are into metal, we play metal. It's clear you don't listen to metal.
I'm assuming you're talking to me, so I'll respond.

I'm pretty good at putting personal genre preferences aside and just listening to the mix. 99% of the stuff that gets posted in here is stuff I don't normally listen to. I can still tell when something is bad or good. Furthermore, my comments, and anyone else's, are just opinions. If you ask for opinions, don't be upset when you get them. Singing can be metal and heavy, or falsetto opera....off pitch is still off pitch and sounding contrived is sounding contrived. It's not my fault the vocals in this track are not good. The aggression is not believable, and the singing is off key. Just how I hear it.

I respect your opinion and appreciate the time you took to give your thoughts, bad or good, regardless. However, I'm confused to be honest at why you think the performances are "loose" sounding to you. As in not performed well? Are they out of time? Do the guitars have bad notes in them as in the guitarist hit wrong notes? You guess the drums and bass are okay? haha It's hard to get into it with weaknesses being glaring? You seriously think it's that bad?
Yeah, I really do. It doesn't sound tight to me. I'm not living under a rock. I've heard this style of "metal" a million times, and I've heard it done way better. One of the most redeeming qualities of this style of music in my opinion is a tight rhythm section. Guitars, bass, and drums locked in for a sonic assault of the senses. It's not happening here.

To each there own, but telling me everything sucks, except for the bass and drums, which are ok you guess for a non-professional HOME recording.. Isn't that what this is all about. HOME recordings. Mind giving me some positive feedback of how I can improve my non-professional home mix?, instead of telling me I did everything wrong and should start over?
I did! Redo the guitars and vocals. Telling you what's right doesn't do anything for you. Why would you fix things that are right? No one brings their car to a shop to be told what's right with the car. That would be dumb. Or how 'bout this? "Hey doctor, I'm not feeling well. But please only tell me the things that are doing well inside of my body. Thanks". Um, no.

Sorry dude, I don't know. You kind of threw me off buy telling me everything sucks and I should start over. Where's the help? There's plenty of negativity in the world already!
I didn't say everything sucks. I told you what I thought was wrong, and touched on what I thought was right. It's only my opinion. You don't have to do anything with it. If you only want false praise and empty atta-boys, just say so.

By the way, you did say this in the title:

let me know what you think!

I'm not trying to be harsh, I'm just being honest with how I hear your mix. Lying or fake pleasantries don't help you. Honesty does. Put your ego aside and consider my comments. Or don't. Entirely up to you. I'll sleep fine either way. :)
 
Yes, I am speaking directly to you Greg_L. Everyone else has been very kind and helpful. I cannot say the same for you.

I did say let me know what you think, but I was also asking for help improving the mix. Not to only tell me everything that's bad. There's a difference that you seem to not understand. Everyone else told me about the muddy sounds, how the amp wasn't the best choice and the vocals needed work etc.. Then they proceeded to head me in a direction to improving the mix with suggestions on EQing, how to make space for the vocals and guitars to sit better, they spoke about possibly using autotune to fix parts of the vocals and suggested to use automation/enveloping to add some dynamics to the overall mix. - That is being helpful.

Now what did you do? You told me the singing is terrible, I should redo it - the guitars are unusable so I should redo them all, the bass and drums are ok I guess, but because of how off everything sounds, it's hard to hear the bass and drums. Great.

The only thing that you've shown with your first post and then with your reply was that you'd rather not be helpful. Why would it matter if you've heard this style of metal a million times? Why would it matter if you've heard it done way better? You don't have to like the song, the mix or even the genre. For every mix you've made, the reality is, there's thousands/millions of people that would probably dislike it. I get that.. You don't like the song or 80% of the recording sounds and performances.. That's been clarified. Now I'm asking for help from people who are more experienced than myself to provide me with useful info about how I can improve the mix..

If you have experience with mixing/mastering and you feel you could help me improve my current mix with out rerecording anything, please let me know, that would be greatly appreciated!!

Should I have said it like that? Everyone else were kind enough to point me in the right direction to help me out. Isn't that the whole point of this section? Mixing Clinic!! not Re-recording Clinic!

It seems it is you who needs to put their ego aside and try helping for once. I don't know you, or anything about you. You may be the most helpful person alive, but right now, in this thread, you are the complete opposite.

This is your mindset in this thread: "My car is making some weird noises, it runs, but I'd like it to run smoother, could you help me out.".. ".. Hmm lets see, well it looks like you have to replace the engine, the tires and only then I would be able to tell you if you had to replace anything else, but don't get me wrong.. I'm definitely not going to help you tune up the engine to make it run smoother."

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C'mon Veritaspast,
at least three people told you in one way or aother that the guitars didn't sound good: I gently suggested that the amp was not going to help at all.
I declined to comment on the singing becasue I habitually bag scream/throat singing & I don't see the blend of that & "normal" singing as a step forward either.
I LOVE metal but i grew up in a time when Sabbath were releasing their 1st 5 & best LPs, when Budgie was pummelling the harder rock end of it and pop music was both poppy & solid rock.
Throughout the late 60's & 70's heavy metal was based on drop tuned guitars played loud through a big tube amp: the heavy, heavy sounds were produced by volume & overdriving tubes.
Metal now seems based on ultra gain & volume, Ovaltine lid flicking bass drums and MIA bass guitars.
The chap you were whining about gets a heavier tone than your recording for his punk tracks. If you'd done some reading around the forum and the clinic in particular you's know who to trust, who to listen to and who has the music to back up the opinions.
I don't record heavily distorted guitars, I have the gear for it but the tone isn't suited to my writing & visa versa.
You have the songs for it but not the gear.
You'd be well served by recording the guitars clean and then rnning some good VSTs or sims in the box.
Guitar Rig 2, or the VoxengoBoogex suite (it was free), the Voxengo TubeBaby simple little thing that can really scream or grind depending on how you set things up.
Spend a tiny bit of money ($40) & get the Behringer GDI21 VTone with which you can lay waste to entire suburbs and tweak to blazes for as metal a sound as you like. Anything from the Digitech X series or a POD or Line 6 but that amp isn't going to do it for you.
Really, there are no excuses - the tone you're after is a very specific one - generically so - & it isn't based on a nice rock 'n' blues amp.
or
How To - EQ DAT Metal Guitar - YouTube for EQing & good metal VSTs
or
How To Get a Killer Metal Guitar Tone - Sound Like the Pros in Minutes! - YouTube
metal production tutorial part 1 - the knob turner - ForTiorI - YouTube
Take a deep breath & try to get stuck into the recording not the people offering commentary.
 
See though, look back on your post, rayc. You chose to not comment on the screaming stuff, instead you commented on the mud and how I might approach fixing that in the mix. You also said that the guitars were recorded well with the constraints...

Greg_L said I should redo the guitars. That's not being helpful because that's all he said. rayc is being helpful with my current mix, like I asked and while being helpful in that sense, he is also kindly telling me the ways I could go about rerecording. He listed examples and everything.. Greg_L did not.

I never said the guitars were recorded amazing, either! I read the comments that said the guitars were recorded with the wrong amp, I get it, but I can't do anything about that now. Sometimes you have to live with what you got, similar to the point jimmys69 said.
 
If you guys think I've reached the limit of my mix, then that's what I'm looking for. However, if I haven't, I would love to hear about it.

If Greg_L would have said ONE helpful comment in terms of sending me in a direction to clean up the guitars as they are, or maybe a helpful note on a compression that he knows that might work better on the snare drum, or a rough % of reverb that may help out if applied on a certain track, THEN I would have not said anything back like the way I did. I would have said "Ok, thank you for your feedback, I appreciate the suggestions you gave" and all would have been good!

I suppose I could have overlooked the lack of effort in trying to help.
 
I don't post a ton - I lurk mostly since I feel like most of the time when I have a question someone else has already asked it and there is tons of information here.

That being said I lurk enough to know that greg_L, if nothing else, is the type of person that will tell you exactly what he thinks, when he thinks it, and will say it with no hesitation. Its up to you, my friend, to take what he says for what its worth and move on without taking anything personally or getting your feelings hurt in the process.

If I may try to bridge the gap between Greg's "advice" and what you were "looking for" in your thread, it would be this: There are no easy fixes in the mix for bad source sounds. Sometimes sounds are just bad: They have no articulation, they lack attitude and aggression (I'm trying to be genre specific here), unconvincing performance/delivery, the instrument is poor/wrong for the job. Sometimes, you can EQ/compress/fuck with these sounds for hours and all you are really doing is spray painting a turd. I think, and I say this without the intent of hurting you, trying to fix these guitars somehow in the mix is bordering on spray painting the turd territory...

If you can't get access to nice beefy tube amp and a 4x12 cab with some celestions in it, I would reccomend doing the following:

- Look into recording your guitar DI. Most interfaces have an instrument switch that you can engage that will allow you to plug your guitar directly into them, which should work fairly well for your purposes.

- Look into some amp sims. There are tons of great products out there. Peavey Revalver, Guitar Rig. If you need something free, look into Poulin Lecto, Nick Crow 8505, and tse x50 (which is new and supposedly good, although I've gotten the best results with Poulin Lecto)

- You'll need a cab sim VST to load cab impulses into. I reccomend Poulin LeCab.

- Oh. Check it out. Some free high quality impulses. Who'da thought? god's cab Signals Audio – Calgary Recording Studio

That should start you on the way to much better results. As for the vocals - I'm not a fan personally but I don't think they are atrocious. The cleans have a Serj Tankian from System of a Down quality to them that I kind of find charming lol. The heavies sound like a cross of Arch Enemy with Johan Liiva on vocals (before Angela Gossow) and Destroy the Runner's first album.
 
Seriously, try a VST/plugin on the guitars - it'll give you more of the sound you're after.
I explained my initial brevity one of those silly ytub link I gave you explains how to EQ for metal guitar - it seems to work - he also suggests some great metal related plug ins for guitar.
Try it, it may be a dud but use what outboard gear you have and then what inboard gear you can get for free.
Others suggested Melodyne & auto tune - that says - there're problems with the vocals - fix it with electrickery. Greg is more old school as in fix it at source. Both are valid though I'm more inclined toward the latter than the former myself.
You did as good a job as can be expected with that amp: it's not made for those sounds UNLESS you record it clean & then treat it in the box.
I've been told to rerecord a few times in the clinic - if that was the consensus or from someone I trust then I did it.
The point is that the song seems worth the effort.
 
Lol. This is stupid. This is a joke, right? I'm being punk'd? I DID help you and told you how to fix your mix.

Let me tell you again:

The guitars sound bad. No beating around the bush. They sound bad, and they're played badly. There's no fixing that without a re-track. There's no compressor or EQ that's gonna fix them. Do you understand that? Can you understand? You can't turn feces back into a nice meal. I said to redo the freaking guitars with a better amp, or a good sim, and work on timing. I'm saying it again. How's that not helpful?

The vocals sound wimpy and off pitch. An aggressive vocal style is fine, but what this one lacks is genuine intensity and realistic aggression. I hear a lot of home recorders do a lot of home recordings in this style of music. Many of them really do well on the vocals. The problem I hear with your vocals is that it sounds like a wimpy white kid trying to sound tough. It's just not believable. I'm sorry for that. Then when the wimpy white kid tries to actually sing and carry a melody, it's pitchy as all hell. That's a problem. So how do you fix that? You redo it. Sure, you can autotune the pitchiness. Fine. But as far as I know there's no plug-in that simulates aggression. Does melodyne have a "bad ass" setting? That's what you'd need. So just freaking redo it.

What you're asking is for ways to polish a turd. You're asking for ways to take your bad tracks and turn them into the next super hit. It doesn't work like that. I've told you the exact same things as everyone else, yet I'm the bad guy here. I'm soooo not helpful. I don't help anybody! 7 years and 15,000+ posts here and I've never helped anyone! Lol. You're pretty oversensitive for a tough metal guy.
 
Greg, you're being awfully nice to this kid. Are you getting soft in your old age? :D

There are no easy fixes in the mix for bad source sounds.

That pretty much sums it. If your guitar tone is bad, and your playing is sloppy. The best solution is to retrack it. If your vocals are pitchy and your delivery uncompelling, the best solution is to retrack it.

That being said, bad tone and uncompelling vocal delivery are entirely subjective. If you disagree with someone's assessment of those traits, just say you disagree and move on.
On top of that metal can be one of those genres where objectively poor playing (sloppy timing, pitchy singing, etc.) enhances the experience. If you intend for those, again disagree with the people who tell you to fix them and move on. If you don't intend for them, it's best to fix it at the tracking stage.
 
Lol. This is stupid. This is a joke, right? I'm being punk'd? I DID help you and told you how to fix your mix.

Let me tell you again:

The guitars sound bad. No beating around the bush. They sound bad, and they're played badly. There's no fixing that without a re-track. There's no compressor or EQ that's gonna fix them. Do you understand that? Can you understand? You can't turn feces back into a nice meal. I said to redo the freaking guitars with a better amp, or a good sim, and work on timing. I'm saying it again. How's that not helpful?

The vocals sound wimpy and off pitch. An aggressive vocal style is fine, but what this one lacks is genuine intensity and realistic aggression. I hear a lot of home recorders do a lot of home recordings in this style of music. Many of them really do well on the vocals. The problem I hear with your vocals is that it sounds like a wimpy white kid trying to sound tough. It's just not believable. I'm sorry for that. Then when the wimpy white kid tries to actually sing and carry a melody, it's pitchy as all hell. That's a problem. So how do you fix that? You redo it. Sure, you can autotune the pitchiness. Fine. But as far as I know there's no plug-in that simulates aggression. Does melodyne have a "bad ass" setting? That's what you'd need. So just freaking redo it.

What you're asking is for ways to polish a turd. You're asking for ways to take your bad tracks and turn them into the next super hit. It doesn't work like that. I've told you the exact same things as everyone else, yet I'm the bad guy here. I'm soooo not helpful. I don't help anybody! 7 years and 15,000+ posts here and I've never helped anyone! Lol. You're pretty oversensitive for a tough metal guy.


"Sure, you can autotune the pitchiness".. I thought the vocals were unusable and I need to redo them? See.. There's a difference in how people can explain things. Your first post could have said something like "Your best chance for this song is to redo the vocals, but if that's not an option, autotuning the clean vocals will help for sure." ..Instead you told me they were terrible. I'm trusting you as someone more experienced than me trying to help, but it's hard to trust you when you tell me my only option is to redo it.. that's all I've been saying this whole time..

The guitar tone is far from the best, I know that and heard it when tracking, but that's all I had to work with and at the time was the extent of my knowledge.. I'm learning here..

I disagree with you completely in the fact that the guitar tracks are performed poorly though..

My first mix, compared to my latest has improved, I feel. I've learned a lot on how to clean up a mix. Isn't that the point to this mixing clinic? how to help clean up a mix. Not tell you to start over. I'm sorry, I disagree with you, I feel that the performance is good, not bad and the song wasn't a waste of time to record.

"the wimpy white kid" .. Yea, you're right, you are being super nice and helpful..

Burningbridges gave me the most insight as to how I could possibly clean up the guitars and remove some mud after telling me the guitars weren't recorded well. Everyone else gave great suggestions on how I could get rid of the mud, and ways to boost the parts that were the most troublesome and to open up parts to make room for other parts, except you. While that won't get the guitars sounding how they should, it will however clear them up and make them sound better than how they originally did..(Everyone's told me the guitars aren't good) I know the guitars are not good... I think the point I'm trying to make is - Your approach to helping is not the approach that everyone else took.

Here's an idea. You hate the vocals and guitars.. How about tell me how to improve the bass or drums in the mix? This would be a much more positive way of helping. You think the guitars are useless, then tell me that and then switch your mindset to positive and give me your suggestions on how to improve parts that aren't completely dead. If you think parts are not completely dead, pass on suggestions as to how I might be able to fix them.

Everyone else has been super helpful in this thread and I've learned a lot in the last few days on how a mix can be improved, how by cutting in one part of the EQ and boosting on another track in that same area can add clarity by making tracks sit better together. Using automation to add dynamics was a huge help and explaining autotune and which one's I should check out was a huge help.

If anyone has some feedback as to how my current mix may be able to be improved without re-tracking, that'd be great! Unfortunately, 10 songs were recorded with that amp and I know it sucks, but that's life. If anyone has suggestions on how I could better record a guitar track in the future, that'd also be appreciated.. which amps, mic selection, mic placement, amp settings etc.. Greg_L's turning 40 song is huge sounding, it's completely professional, if he shared his knowledge on how to go about achieving that kind of big sound, but maybe point me in a direction as to have it more heavy for a metal sound, instead of a punk sound, I'd be thanking him.

So thank you to everyone who tried to help me. My opinion is that Greg_L did not try to help. My opinion. I won't continue this argument anymore and I apologize for going on about it.
 
Sure I'll tell you how my mix sounds, in your own words, "huge"......you ready? Got a pen and paper handy? Here's the secret. Write this down: I used good sounds to begin with. Real drums. Real bass. Real everything. I play my parts reasonably well. My drums are tuned up and mic'd well. I'm not a good singer, but I'm good enough for the music I like and choose to do. Guess what else? There is NO EQ on the guitar tracks. I repeat - no EQ. Not even the tiniest hint of cut or boost anywhere. No compression. No reverb. That's pure guitar + amp + cab + mic. BOOM. That's your mind being completely blown. See son, I learned long ago that if you want a good sounding mix, you need to start with good sounds. Here's another little gem you should write down: when you track good sounds to begin with, the right sounds for the style you're playing, the mix basically mixes itself. You don't have to jump through hoops when you have good source material. Recording crap and trying to fix it later never works. Do you think your musical idols go into a studio and just lay down some slop and cook it all up into a pro mix? No. I'm not going to tell you how to mangle your existing tracks into something usable because I feel it's a waste of time. That's my prerogative as a critiquer. You can't dictate what I can or can't say. If you ask for opinions, which you did, then be prepared for all types. Again, why would I tell you to fix something that's already okay? That's dumb. My telling you to redo everything is a valid opinion because ultimately I feel that's the only way you're going to get the results you actually want. I'm doing you a favor by cutting right to the crux of the matter and saving you time and effort. You want a heavy guitar sound? Who told you it would happen with a Fender Twin? That's who you should be mad at, not me. I mean seriously, you recorded a whole album's worth of "metal" guitar tracks through a Fender and no red flags ever went up? Fender Twins are fantastic amps....for pretty much everything but heavy sounds. You don't see many metal bands standing in front of Fender combos. Lol. Sell that amp and get something else. As for the vocals, sure little buddy, autotune the snot out of them. Fiddle that shit until you sound like T-Pain or Kanye Kardashian or whatever rapper uses that shit to death. I don't care. It's still not going to fix the "aggressive" parts. No, you're gonna have to redo those. Could you hack your tracks into something passable? Maybe. Maybe not. If you choose to only accept advice that blows sunshine up your ass, that's your call. I can't stop you. At the very least the "helpful" advice you've received from others so far will get you some practice time fiddling with plug-ins. Never mind that most people agree with me and are telling you the same thing. Realize this though: one day, I don't know when, but one day, some time in the future, a light is gonna flick on in your head and you're gonna say to yourself, "that motherfucker Greg was right all along".
 
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"Could you hack your tracks into something passable? Maybe. Maybe not."

You are right, the guitars are lacking and I should redo them, same with the vocals, they are pichy! ( I don't have the option to redo them.)

Do you have any suggestions as to what I could do to hack my mix into something passable? Thanks, Greg_L
 
I've looked into amp simulators and impulses, as suggested. The problem is as I'm sure you all know that all the free ones are .VST. Unfortunately, I'm running Protools 9 on a MacPro which uses RTAS.. I've done some research and Fxpansion makes an adapter that converts vst to rtas, however most people are having a lot of issues with compatibility when using it with Protools 9. It is supported for PT7 and 8 and people have said it works with PT9, but others are saying it doesn't, or when it does it crashes constantly..

I am upgrading to Protools 10 soon, as well as my operating system to Lion 10.8+ (currently running 10.6.8). There is NO compatibility with fxpansion vst to rtas in Protools10 yet. They said they are working on it, but I don't want to spend $100 to get it and it not even work with PT9, let alone PT10.



We will be getting a Peavey 5150 head and a 2x12 Orange cab probably (good deal on them). I own SM57 mics, will an SM57 mic do the job? For what I need (metal sounding guitars), where is the best mic placement for an SM57. (assuming that we are using EMG 81/85 active pickups, Tube screamer pedal and pumping the amp loud to work the tubes) I have an amp box that I made (4' tall by 4' deep by 4' wide) completely surrounded by that soundproof triangle foam that the cab will be in.

Also, what preamp would you guys recommend. I'd be willing to spend up to $1000. (I currently own the FMR -RNP running into my digi002 rack which sounds great, but I feel like there's others that may be better for what I need, or my current preamp is fine and is up to par with anything in the $1000 price range.)

Thanks
 
I've looked into amp simulators and impulses, as suggested. The problem is as I'm sure you all know that all the free ones are .VST. Unfortunately, I'm running Protools 9 on a MacPro which uses RTAS.. I've done some research and Fxpansion makes an adapter that converts vst to rtas, however most people are having a lot of issues with compatibility when using it with Protools 9. It is supported for PT7 and 8 and people have said it works with PT9, but others are saying it doesn't, or when it does it crashes constantly..

I am upgrading to Protools 10 soon, as well as my operating system to Lion 10.8+ (currently running 10.6.8). There is NO compatibility with fxpansion vst to rtas in Protools10 yet. They said they are working on it, but I don't want to spend $100 to get it and it not even work with PT9, let alone PT10.



We will be getting a Peavey 5150 head and a 2x12 Orange cab probably (good deal on them). I own SM57 mics, will an SM57 mic do the job? For what I need (metal sounding guitars), where is the best mic placement for an SM57. (assuming that we are using EMG 81/85 active pickups, Tube screamer pedal and pumping the amp loud to work the tubes) I have an amp box that I made (4' tall by 4' deep by 4' wide) completely surrounded by that soundproof triangle foam that the cab will be in.

Also, what preamp would you guys recommend. I'd be willing to spend up to $1000. (I currently own the FMR -RNP running into my digi002 rack which sounds great, but I feel like there's others that may be better for what I need, or my current preamp is fine and is up to par with anything in the $1000 price range.)

Thanks

Wow. That was a healthy change in direction. Let me start by what you are doing right:

Re-recording the guitars: Good call. I'm sorry you recorded 10 tracks thru that Fender. I would hope that at some point before you finished all 10 you would have realized that it wasn't doing the job. Luckily, you realized that your musical baby is worth the effort, and for that I applaud you. Why put effort and care into anything only to be happy when it turns out mediocre?

Peavey 5150: A little old school but good for the job, especially when paired with a tubescreamer. 5150's tend to snarl a little bit in the upper-mids, so it won't sound quite as modern as a 6505, but it will definitely be mean and aggressive. The tubescreamer will tighten it up. My advice for tuning the tubescreamer is as follows: Volume all the way UP. Gain all the way DOWN, or up just a tad. Tone tuned to taste, but I usually have it somewhere around 2 to 3 'o clock.

Now here is where I'm not feeling it:

Orange 2x12: Orange makes great cabs, and this one I'll admit I may be speaking out of turn, but you generally need a 4x12 to get the nice low-end that makes a metal guitar track sound aggressive.

Amp Box: Fuck no. Say goodbye to that shit. DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT put a box in front of the amp. That will NOT make your tone sound better. That's going to make it muddy, undefined, and rumbly. What you need to do is place the cab in a room where the sound can open up and has room to expand. Living rooms work great, and even a bedroom can suffice if the amp has plenty of open space in front of it to fire out sound before it hits an object. If possible, do not have it firing directly at a wall. If you have some stuff that the sound can hit before it hits the wall (couch, TV, Xbox 360, cat) that will work for your purposes.

Pre-amp: To be honest, what you have is more than adequate. You will not notice a difference in sound quality if you upgrade pre-amps from what you currently have, unless you are ready to drop over $2000 on a custom boutique pre-amp or over $5000 on a studio-level desk. And even then the difference would be like going from getting an A 97% on a test to getting an A 100%. Let me just repeat that to make sure you understand it. The difference is so miniscule that you should not do it. What you have is more than enough for the job. In fact, I question the idea of slaving the FMR (which is an awesome pre) into the digi rack. Are you doing it thru an XLR cable or are you properly bypassing the pre in the digi rack with a line cable? Make sure you have your signal chain set up right because otherwise your recording quality will actually suffer from going thru multiple gain stages.

If I may, I'm going to break down the importance of all the elements in your signal chain to getting a professional sounding track, and trust me with these percentages - I'm not trying to "send a message" this is honest to goodness what I've learned over the years and what others who know their stuff will tell you as well.

Competent musician who knows his parts - 50%
quality guitar with new strings, quality amp, quality cab - 20%
Proper placement of said instrument in the room - 15%
Proper microphone placement in front of said instrument - 14%
Making sure said competent musician is comfy and has had breakfast that day - 1%
The name on the microphone - 0%
The name on the preamp - 0%
The name of the software you are running - 0%
The name of your guitar player - 0%

Now obviously, there are some base-lines here. For example. Recording with a $25 computer mic that you talk into when you are playing WoW with your buddies is not going to work. I'm assuming no one is going to call me out on those ridiculous worst cases.

That being said. The rest of my argument still stands. I am a firm believer that the musician matters first and foremost, than the instrument, than the placement of the instrument, and then the placement of the microphone.

If you get that 5150 turned up nice and loud, in a room where the sound has some room to expand before reflections start firing back and at you and killing your tone (aka you don't put it in the amp box of death), and have a single SM57 on the right spot, you are FULLY capable of getting a pro-tone.

If you need a starting point, I recommend pointing the mic directly at the border between the paper and cone, on axis, about 1.5 - 2 inches away from the speaker. I find that distance tends to prevent and issues with the proximity effect.
 
Orange 2x12: Orange makes great cabs, and this one I'll admit I may be speaking out of turn, but you generally need a 4x12 to get the nice low-end that makes a metal guitar track sound aggressive.

I agree with BurningBridges except for this. ^^^^^

While I do agree that a 4x12 is best in most cases, Orange 2x12s typically come with Vintage 30s and they're fantastic speakers for high gain tones. A well built 2x12, like the Orange products, are beefy and spacious enough to give good low end.
 
Fucking train-wreck threads where someone asks for help and then turns into a whiny 8 year old girl when they get tit.

:laughings:
 
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