"Never Gonna Change"

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Haven't posted anything here in ages....this is a mix I just finished of a song I did with my new music partner. She wrote the song and recorded it awhile back as a very slow, rock balled thing....but she didn't like the way it came out, and wanted to change it up.
So for our first collaborative effort, I took the song and brought it up to speed a bit (160 BPM :D), and then did it more as straight up guitar rock tune (the slow version she original did hat a lot of keys)....and I also reworked some of the lyrics to make fit better with the new tempo.

Anyway....I did some basic "mastering" on it...but not sure if it will stay as-is. I didn't really hit it too hard, but I'm thinking about cutting back on the L2 a tad.....or not...???

"Never Gonna Change"

I have a second song just getting mixed now....so I'll post that up in a few days too.
 
Cool tune miro. Really nice bouncy groove. Reminds me of meatloaf. Tones are nice to my ear. What's the L2?
Sounds like a bright future to me. She sounds a bit like Melissa Etheridge.
 
interesting guitar sound. When the song started my first thought was, "man that's a cheesy sounding synth patch he chose." ... :D
Then I realized it was the git which immediately made it cool!
What was the git's chain?

Anyway .... liked the song .... the unison male/female vox is interesting. There's a slightly distorted or limited or something quality to them. Is that the L2 you mentioned? If so then yes, it might be a little too much.
pretty cool mang.
 
Nice tune, good performances. Yeah, back off on the L2 (Waves I assume), as the mix almost blew my wall down. :) It's real loud. It sounds fine, but it's just a lot louder than it needs to be.
 
DAVID K!!!! How ya' doin' man? haven't seen you in a bit.
 
She has a lot of "grit" in her voice....think Bonnie Rait on steroids... :)
And she has a LOUD friggin voice (years of singing hard rock in bands)!!!
So when we cut her vocals for our very first time together, I musta dialed back her mic like 5 times...and she would STILL surprise me with the level on each take. (I tossed like 3-4 takes because of signal overload).

She certainly was pushing hard on the preamp, and I think the L2 Waves Ultramaximizer at the "mastering" step, does push up that intensity a tad....but at the end of the day, I felt it was a punchy, up-tempo rocker tune...so I figured it's OK, and I didn't want to bug her to redo them, since she was happy with them....and I think use to hearing her voice that way.
Anyway...I may pull back the L2....this was a fist pass test I did late last night...and I'm already thinking of taking at least 50% off. Yeah...it IS friggin LOUD!!! :D

I've already made some progress though, getting her to ease up a bit with her vocal delivery.
She has this whole other voice. I just have to get her to feel comfortable and know that she's not singing live over a loud band, so it's OK to pull back.
On the second tune her vocals were not such a surprise any more.
We're planning to do a slow, sparse tune next, and I already told her I wanted her voice to be like....almost delicate to the point of breaking.....we'll see how that goes.

The guitar chain: Hag Swede P90, RAH pedal, Savage Macht 12X, miked with a Senn 441 to Groove Tubes SuPre.
The RAH is the pedal you posted about several months ago, Lt....so I ended up getting it, and this was the first song I used it on.
 
DavidK said:
It's real loud. It sounds fine, but it's just a lot louder than it needs to be.
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I'm happy to hear someone say "lower the level"....instead of, "it's not commercially competative" level-wise. :D
 
I think the drums sound a bit machine like and the male vocal is leaning on the female vocal I'd pull the male back a little.
The bass n drums sound pop, the guitar sounds rock and the vocals sound like they're looking for a slightly slower more bluesrock home.
The combination comes off a little Europop.
It's a good song & the performances are good, the mis is pretty good too but it doesn't quite gell for me.
 
rayc said:
I think the drums sound a bit machine like and the male vocal is leaning on the female vocal I'd pull the male back a little.
The bass n drums sound pop, the guitar sounds rock and the vocals sound like they're looking for a slightly slower more bluesrock home.
The combination comes off a little Europop.
It's a good song & the performances are good, the mis is pretty good too but it doesn't quite gell for me.
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Yeah, it was a converted slow tune...so maybe that still lingers a little in the vocals, but we all went for this up-tempo mash-up. The intention was to keep both vocals up-front, so the level shifts from female to male and back, with one phrase or another. We sat and first heard one as being a bit louder...then on the next pass it sounded like it was the other...then back again. :D

Yes, you are right, it does have a Europop vibe, which is OK with me, I mean, we weren't going for any one specific sound...and I agree that the drums have a machine-like vibe...but that was actually intentional to a degree.
It was driven by the chorus sections ("Cuz you're never gonna ever, never gonna change") which have a very mechanical chuga-chuga beat, so the drums were accenting on that....and to tell the truth, once you get past 140 BPM, it's hard to avoid that if you want the drums on the beat rather than doing some kind of sparse, back-beat thing. Even tried having the Hat do something more sparse...but it just didn't work with this tempo and the vocal beat.

This was the first collaboration, though we didn't even write a song together from scratch yet...instead just taking one of her old tunes and turning it inside out, and it was somewhat of an experiment, but we like the vibe overall.
 
miroslav said:
The guitar chain: Hag Swede P90, RAH pedal, Savage Macht 12X, miked with a Senn 441 to Groove Tubes SuPre.
The RAH is the pedal you posted about several months ago, Lt....so I ended up getting it, and this was the first song I used it on.
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ah ..... sounds great just like I knew it would and it's apparently not a one trick pony either since that sounds pretty different than the demos I've heard.
Cool ..... I simply haven't been able to save enough money to get one ..... now I want it even more ........ great guitar tone man.
 
Thanks...and really, it was your thread about the RAH that made me take a hard look at it. I will most certainly use it again on some tracks.
And yes....the tone I got is just one flavor. You can dial in a lot more stuff with it, so it's worth the $$$.

I picked mine up on eBay, used for a few $$$ less....but it was like-new.
It came from one of those....you know, guitar kids who chase after new tones every time a pedal comes out, then a week later they're selling it. :D
 
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