Need some new ears for a METAL mix!

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metalhead28 said:
Dude! I had totally forgotten about that deal until just a couple days ago I saw "Be Heard" in my project files and I was like "What the Fuck is that?" I had to open it up and listen before I remembered...... :rolleyes:
Shit on me, I was gonna do vocals on that thing but never got around to it.....
Someday soon I will do that! Then you can steal it and do an evil little duet with me ;) ...................word
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Oh, man.....Didn't you hear my vocals on it?? I posted them last week, and forgot about it until now. I think I scared the guy away or something... :eek:
 
can toatally hear the comp on the overs, maby a little less.

gits are a little papery, but maby that's cause of the no bass.

i like!
 
hey that's pretty good

here's my first impression...

nice riff

mix left a lot of space... nice

relative levels seemed appropriate

the guitars were very CKYish

maybe widen the kit some

pretty good overall

-keith-
 
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I like where you're going with the second mix. Try boosting around 160 Hz to give the guitars more low end. Also, maybe try cutting slightly at around 700-800 Hz to get rid of some "honkiness" in the guitars.

Keep rocking.
 
It is really good.

I would try to boost a little 300hz in the bass. I would also pan 2 of the guitar tracks more towards the center, leaving the other 2 panned wide. The guitars almost disappear in mono. You say you have 4 guitar tracks, is it 4 performances or 2 performances with 2 mics? You are getting an awful lot of phase in the guitars, that is what is giving you that honky sound.

You might need to back off on the buss compression, the kicks are way too into it, it's making the whole thing pump.
 
Where the vox at?!?!


I've been listening to all the new metal on the 5 forums I belong to and NO ONE HAS ANY F-ING SONGS WITH VOCALS!!!!!!!!!!!


I like it so far...
 
Farview said:
It is really good.

I would try to boost a little 300hz in the bass. I would also pan 2 of the guitar tracks more towards the center, leaving the other 2 panned wide. The guitars almost disappear in mono. You say you have 4 guitar tracks, is it 4 performances or 2 performances with 2 mics? You are getting an awful lot of phase in the guitars, that is what is giving you that honky sound.

You might need to back off on the buss compression, the kicks are way too into it, it's making the whole thing pump.
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Thanks for the comments. The guitars are 4 performances with 2 mics on each one, so actually 8 tracks. I don't seem to have a real good ear for phase problems until it's too late :o (unless they are pretty obvious), so you're probably right about that, I will experiment with the mic placement a little. Perhaps a factor in this problem might be that the guitar tone was not varied enough for the different takes, that's another thing I will work on. Also I may track with a little more low end in the guitars. The over-compression is noted as well!
Appreciate the listen everybody!
 
W.I.S.C. said:
Where the vox at?!?!
I've been listening to all the new metal on the 5 forums I belong to and NO ONE HAS ANY F-ING SONGS WITH VOCALS!!!!!!!!!!!
I like it so far...
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All in good time....... ;) Vocals are always somewhat of an afterthought with me, however bad that may be..... I do get quite obsessed with lyrical content and delivery but I just get to that stage way after the music is done....

..and thanks!
 
metalhead28 said:
Thanks for the comments. The guitars are 4 performances with 2 mics on each one, so actually 8 tracks. I don't seem to have a real good ear for phase problems until it's too late :o (unless they are pretty obvious), so you're probably right about that, I will experiment with the mic placement a little. Perhaps a factor in this problem might be that the guitar tone was not varied enough for the different takes, that's another thing I will work on. Also I may track with a little more low end in the guitars. The over-compression is noted as well!
Appreciate the listen everybody!
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Ok, I'd like to chime in here, adn try and learn something myself. I tried 2 mics, with one performance, and it sounded weird. My pre has a phase switch. Would this help, or is it not correctable that easy? I used a 58 right next to the grill, and a 4040 about 16" away, from the other speaker. I then put the tracks into the pc, and tried everything from having them lay on top ov each other, to panning them to the same side, but at different spots. Some sounded better than otheres, but seems there was a huge buildup in the midrange, and it was brittle for the most part. Is this what you are talking about?

Thanks.
Ed
 
Dogman said:
Ok, I'd like to chime in here, adn try and learn something myself. I tried 2 mics, with one performance, and it sounded weird. My pre has a phase switch. Would this help, or is it not correctable that easy? I used a 58 right next to the grill, and a 4040 about 16" away, from the other speaker. I then put the tracks into the pc, and tried everything from having them lay on top ov each other, to panning them to the same side, but at different spots. Some sounded better than otheres, but seems there was a huge buildup in the midrange, and it was brittle for the most part. Is this what you are talking about?

Thanks.
Ed
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Yeah mic placement can be a delicate issue. I obviously have not conquered it myself :rolleyes: . Sometimes I'm sure that flipping polarity on one of the mics might do the trick, but I've found that often two mics are not anywhere near totally out of phase, and the phase problem is only perceptible at certain frequencies. So it is not always as easy as flipping polarity because that will only make them out of phase only in a different way. I can't really elaborate on the technicalities of this, that's just my experience. I have found that I really like the sound of a distant condensor mic added in for my guitars, but I have yet to find that perfect "sweet spot" for my mics. Maybe I'm just in too big of a damn rush to get tracking! I think I would have a much easier time of things if I had some damn assistance sometimes! I'm always wearing some blasting heaphones, playing my guitar, and moving mics around all at the same damn time! That is a pain in the ass.... :p Anyone want to come over and be my engineering assistant? :D :D
 
Dogman said:
Ok, I'd like to chime in here, adn try and learn something myself. I tried 2 mics, with one performance, and it sounded weird. My pre has a phase switch. Would this help, or is it not correctable that easy? I used a 58 right next to the grill, and a 4040 about 16" away, from the other speaker. I then put the tracks into the pc, and tried everything from having them lay on top ov each other, to panning them to the same side, but at different spots. Some sounded better than otheres, but seems there was a huge buildup in the midrange, and it was brittle for the most part. Is this what you are talking about?

Thanks.
Ed
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You are normally better off panning the two mics away from each other. Then reperform the part and pan those mics opposite the first two. That way you have the close mic as the main sound and the far away mic as kind of the reverb on the other side (turn this mic down in the mix).

The phase switch can help, but since the two mics don't have the same frequency response, it is never a matter of everything being out of phase. Flipping the switch will just change the frequecies that are being cancelled. That might be good, or not.

As a general rule, the more guitar parts you have, the thinner they get. If you start adding more low end to the 8 tracks of rhythms, you are going to end up with a mess very quickly. I would try turning off the 3035 tracks, that is most likely where the phase is coming from (and the nasally honk) and pan the remaining four tracks left, 10 o'clock, 2 o'clock, right. That should thicken things up a bit. Always check things in mono, if something in the mix disappears, you want to know.
 
Farview said:
You are normally better off panning the two mics away from each other. Then reperform the part and pan those mics opposite the first two. That way you have the close mic as the main sound and the far away mic as kind of the reverb on the other side (turn this mic down in the mix).

The phase switch can help, but since the two mics don't have the same frequency response, it is never a matter of everything being out of phase. Flipping the switch will just change the frequecies that are being cancelled. That might be good, or not.

As a general rule, the more guitar parts you have, the thinner they get. If you start adding more low end to the 8 tracks of rhythms, you are going to end up with a mess very quickly. I would try turning off the 3035 tracks, that is most likely where the phase is coming from (and the nasally honk) and pan the remaining four tracks left, 10 o'clock, 2 o'clock, right. That should thicken things up a bit. Always check things in mono, if something in the mix disappears, you want to know.
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Ok, then, With this being said, and what metalhead said, would I be better off recording 4 seperate tracks, Instead of 2 tracks of 2 mics? Would this help any phase issues, or does it still have the same problem with frequency buildup? Maybe 4 seperate rythums, each with a slightly different amp setting, or some small change in effects usage? Then pan them slightly different....2 pretty far L/R, adn 2 a bit closer to center?
Thanks.
Ed
 
If you get the sound you want with the two mics, then go for it. Phase can be your friend, if you decide to go with it.
 
i'm new to recording so i won't even try to give any tips but i felt i was left hanging i wanted more lol more that was some heavy shit sounded good to me :)
 
metalhead28 said:
Okay, here's a new mix with the bass at an acceptable level and less overheads. (plus a few more little tweaks)



The guitar may seem too quiet now, and I may have done some overcompensation which I am notorious for, I don't know, but I would love to get some opinions!

Thanks ~ metal
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It sounds like the boxy character that the guitars have is due to phase.
Which could also be lending to the slghtly thin quality too.

Perhaps if you nudged the 3035's track backwards (1-10ms?) and put it in phase with the 58 youd get rid of that funky boxy overtone.

As for the drums i liked the cymbals being brought down as in test 5.

Bass.....heh, this is metal. Who gives a shit!

Nice work metalhead.

-Finster
 
Okay here is yet another mix....
This time I tried a decent cut at the offending frequency to try and lose some of the "boxiness" of the guitars. (I would have retracked them but haven't had a chance yet) I'm not sure if I like this guitar sound as much, but my metalhead buds love it......Any opinions?

 
metalhead28 said:
Okay here is yet another mix....
This time I tried a decent cut at the offending frequency to try and lose some of the "boxiness" of the guitars. (I would have retracked them but haven't had a chance yet) I'm not sure if I like this guitar sound as much, but my metalhead buds love it......Any opinions?

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it's brighter and more full than the last one. I actually listened to 4 and 5 also, and this is the best so far. :D
 
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