Need A Sampler, Help Wanted!

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Hi everybody...

I'm thinking about getting a new sampler for myself. But I don't know anything about them. All I know is that Akai and Yamaha has a lot of stuff on the market.

I want a sampler with lots of perfomance and lots of editing abillities. Did I mention effects and such?!?!? Now you'll probably throgh a Synclav at my face, but really, what is the best sampler out there?! I want the best sampler money can buy, no price limit.

Thanx in advance!!!!!!
 
I think computer samplers might have it over hardware right now... Stuff like Gigasampler and Halion. If it's all for the studio work then a dedicated computer for software synths and samplers might be the route to go... Stripped down P3 with a nice 8 channel soundcard and some software... Mayne won't cost tthat much over hardware.

If had to go with hardware I'd make sure it's very computer friendly using something like USB for transfers and editing. Midi transfers and edits can be slow and scsi isn't on every computer. Akai has a Z series out now that looks pretty impressive.
 
No softsamplers, I don't want anything to do with computers unless for Recording.

I'll look into that Z-series, thanx!!!

Any more suggestions?!
 
boss samplers like the sp-303 are shitty little cheap samplers which i like just because they are simple and you can alter your samples instantly just by turning the knobs. but if you want something more "serious" i'd definately recommend any of the akai samplers.... they offer much more depth and editing capabilities.
 
The A5000 is also an excellent sampler. But you asked for the best with no price limit, and then you will end up with an Akai Z8. Sure, it will cost you $2000, and then you want to buy more memory and output expansion, and whatnots, so $2500 to $3000 is probably what you'll end up paying.

Or you could buy a second hand Yamaha A3000 with HD and full memory for $500. And that will also give you an excellent sampler. That's what I did. :)
 
Has anyone here A/B'd the Z8 and the A5000 !?!? What can you tell me?!?

What about the Z4 vs the A5000?!? Which one is the better one?!?
 
StudioRecorder said:
Has anyone here A/B'd the Z8 and the A5000 !?!? What can you tell me?!?

What about the Z4 vs the A5000?!? Which one is the better one?!?

Z4. Read the specs dude!
(Then of course there are subjective issues, like which filters you like best and such, but there is not answer to that, only personal opinions, so only you can answer that. But the Z4 has better specs).

Ask Akai (or your dealer) about the exact differences between the Z4 and Z8. I think it's mostly a question about digital inputs, outputs and effects (the Z8 got'em, the Z4 can be expanded).
Oh, and I think the frontpanel is detatchable on the Z8, which is really nice.
 
How much am I looking at in additional costs when buying a Sampler?!? Roughly?
 
That depends on what your needs are, and what is included from the start, and what is available. It would be anything from $0 to $2000.
 
Thanx arcaxis and the rest of you guys, I thank you all for your time.

I'm looking for to buy a sampler that will sit in my project studio and kinda hold up for all "keyboard programing" I can think of. I usually record music rather than play live. My main concern is getting it to sound neat on track. I also don't like gear that I most likely will outgrow in a short while. It's more boring to sit with things you would want to take to the next level but simply can't.

I play a mix of Pop/Rock music but lately I've been intressted in DnB and Beat-oriented music with different etnic flavours.

I guess my main concern is not which sampler to get but wether a sampler is my thing, in contrast to a synth for example. Just like you said arcaxis, I would want to try on less expensive equipment before I buy an expensive one. But then again I might just be turned off by the simplistic features of it. It seems as though many musicians use samplers rather than synths. Is that a choice one have to take to individualize ones music or is it just a peference?

I was also wondering if sounds are easy to come by?!? Are they expensive or can I collect them for free with a little effort?! How does one create a sampling library and how expensive does that get?!

Is it possible to get a nice sounding multisampled Rhodes or a great sounding Piano?

How does a multisampled instument actually work in a sampler???

How are the sounds played in contrast to synth for example?! I've been looking at the Motif for some time now. Would that be a better choice for acoustic instruments like Pianos and B3's??!

thanx again!!! Hope to get more answers!!! ;)
 
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StudioRecorder said:
I guess my main concern is not which sampler to get but wether a sampler is my thing, in contrast to a synth for example.

That's what I suspected. Very few people are serious whan asking about the best X money can get, becuase if they really wanted it, they would already know the answer to that question.

So, with the new information on your situation and desires, I can with all my heart recommend a Yamaha A3000. It is a very good sampler, and it's the most bang for the buck you can get. Make sure it's has v2.0 of the OS, because upgrades are hard to find.
A3ks (as they are commonly known) are pretty frequent items on eBay.

It only uses SCSI harddrives, so when you compare different A3000s, be sure to take into account if it has an internal HD or not, cuz SCSI HD's are pretty expensive.
 
"It seems as though many musicians use samplers rather than synths. Is that a choice one have to take to individualize ones music or is it just a preference?

I was also wondering if sounds are easy to come by?!? Are they expensive or can I collect them for free with a little effort?! How does one create a sampling library and how expensive does that get?!

Is it possible to get a nice sounding multisampled Rhodes or a great sounding Piano? How does a multisampled instument actually work in a sampler???

How are the sounds played in contrast to synths for example?! I've been looking at the Motif for some time now. Would that be a better choice for acoustic instruments like Pianos and B3's??!"
 
regebro said:
That's what I suspected. Very few people are serious whan asking about the best X money can get, becuase if they really wanted it, they would already know the answer to that question.

I'm very serious, it just takes a while to decide what kind of equipment I want to engage myself in. If I'd go for Yamaha I would definitly try the A5K.

The choice of all is still in the making. Akai, Yamaha or a Synth?!?! In this case I still don't know.
 
You are all over the place with this one friend...

What kinda music do you do???

You sound like you just need a Triton or a Motif... Both are sampling synths.

How much experience do you have with samplers and sampling?

How much are you into programming sounds from scratch?

What type of other hardware/software are you working with (sequencer, controller,...etc.)?
 
"You are all over the place with this one friend... "

Why!?! I think I'm pretty clear about what I want.

"What kinda music do you do???"

I don't play any particular genre, but I like Electro music from the 70's and 80's. I also like Acid Jazz and Electronica. However I don't like techno or trance.

"You sound like you just need a Triton or a Motif... Both are sampling synths."

I hate Triton!!!!!!!!! Motif is OK, but you're kinda stuck with the sounds. The sampler in the Motif is pretty cheap. It doesn't even hold up agains something like the A3000 for example.

"How much experience do you have with samplers and sampling? "

NONE!!!!!! That's why I'm still posting!!!

"How much are you into programming sounds from scratch?"

I don't know how to, but I learn really fast and I like programing.

"What type of other hardware/software are you working with (sequencer, controller,...etc.)?"

I record with a Digi001 interface into a G4 PowerMac. I use ProTools LE, the sequencer is dull but functional, lacks a lot of things you would like to have. Will I have to get a decent sequencing program?!?! I was thinking about getting a Midiman Oxygen 8 as a masterkeyboard, I like the size of that thing!

C-mon ppl, help me out some more.
 
StudioRecorder said:
"It seems as though many musicians use samplers rather than synths. Is that a choice one have to take to individualize ones music or is it just a preference?

I was also wondering if sounds are easy to come by?!? Are they expensive or can I collect them for free with a little effort?! How does one create a sampling library and how expensive does that get?!

Is it possible to get a nice sounding multisampled Rhodes or a great sounding Piano? How does a multisampled instument actually work in a sampler???

How are the sounds played in contrast to synths for example?! I've been looking at the Motif for some time now. Would that be a better choice for acoustic instruments like Pianos and B3's??!"
 
StudioRecorder said:
"You are all over the place with this one friend... "

Why!?! I think I'm pretty clear about what I want.

My fault I missed a couple of posts that cleared some things up.

Alright... Some basics if you don't already know em.

When you buy a sampler you will most likely want to have a lot of internal memory. 64 mbs is a nice amount but will go very fast. In some cases that will be only four or five quailty instuments sets you can have loaded at one time Fine if you only plan to sequence a few instruments at one time but I suggest a sampler that can handle 128 mb or better. This way you can have your whole set of sounds for a sequnce all loaded at one time plus memory is pretty cheap...

Next is the storage. The norm with rack samplers is SCSI. A big plus but not a must is a SCSI hard drive (about 100 for the first gig. then 35-50 bucks per gig. I think), a necessity is a SCSI zip drive (cheapest storage for 25 on ebay... round 70 new), then there's a SCSI cd-rom (reads sample cd-roms...). Then depending on the sampler a SCSI pc card and some software that can edit wave files and send them to your sampler through SCSI. Or maybe even help create you're sample disks. That'sa nice chuck of money you're looking at but all of it will make life much easier with the sampler.

Some samplers use IDE internal drives which are cheaper and easier to come by... Dont' recall seeing any other types of storage besides the old floppy drive regularly used with samplers.

Next thing is sounds. If you want to save time you gotta spend some money here. Sample disks run from $5 - $250 (floppies to cd-roms)... I even saw a whole hard drive with noting but a whole Orchestra's instrument and sounds sampled into it ($$$$). Most pro disks i've seen cost around $99 but you can find disks going for $10 bucks on ebay. Don't know about the quality. Probably crappy or a bunch of drum machine samples and single shots. If you go pro you can expect lots of detail... Stuff like guitar scrubs or a Piano sampled with a version of the notes being played hard and a version where they are softer, then a softer one... Then a sustained version with a soft, softe version. Much detail. Sometimes to much in my opinion. It eats up memory.

If you want to save money then you are looking at a lot of time looking for your samples and programming them. You got choices though... You can search the net all day looking for the perfect sample(s) or you can just go and sample the instruments yourself. If you do techno/hiphop then you just grab whatever sound source you have available at the time and hook that up (not really that simple)... If you are wanting the best possible sound then you need to do multisampling (too much to talk). Once you get all you're notes then you gotta set em up and program em how you want them to play (software is important here)... Then ya gotta assign the efx and do some midi crap... Then you can save em and finally use em to make music.

That's how I see it... If it helps.

I use a ASR-X pro, a Peavy SP, and a MPC200xl... None top knotch as far as samplers. I realized I didn't have the patience so I bought some other crap with that money.

"How much experience do you have with samplers and sampling? "

It's not something you want to jump into if you really just wanna make music. Quick and easy sounds... That's why workstation synths are so popular.

As far as programming goes... A sampler is basically a synth that lets you load up whatever sound source you want and process it how you want it.

Synth Basics
http://hem.passagen.se/tkolb/art/synth/intro_e.htm

I'm may not be the best person to help you with this... I might be wrong about some things... Just trying to help though.

And I'm not reading this post so it may all be crap... Ignore me if you have to. I haven't slept in a couple days.:D
 
LAZI, I thank you!!!

I think I know a little bit more. I think the sampler is a better choice in contrast to a Workstation. I also think the YAMAHA's are a good starting point!? The only negative side to them is the fact that it uses a SCSI interface between the computer. So I'll basicly will have to install a scsi which I don't want to do. So there goes the computer ---> sampler interface. The Akai Z4 for example uses USB which is very convinient. However the Yamaha's has got lots and lots of effects and filters which the z4 lacks but can be upgraded with. The yamaha's also come with 9 sampling CD's which will give me something to work with from the get go!!! Anyone have a comment on these sampling CD's?!? Are they good or bad?!?

I for one had my mind set on one of the ever so "nice" Workstations available on the market today. But I just can spend my Time on something that will eventually be "dated" and "old" in a few years.

I had a few more questions. Will I be in need of a decent sequencing program or will my ProTools LE do fine?

What do you guys think of my final decision? Is it OK or do you think I should go for something else? Seriously I'm still having doubts!!!!!!!!
 
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