Nasty Compressors?

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I want to disfigure, dismember, crush and systematically destroy loops, synths, sound FX and the occasional dialog snippet.

I don't want something pleasing for acoustic guitar, or tame and predictable for mastering. I want violence and aggression. :rolleyes:

Which compressors fit this description?

Thanks :D
 
i would look for a better synth.... rather than trying to turn a compressor into a instrument of destruction..

mutolator, sherman filter bank, electrix...etc


check out the samples here:cool: is this what your talking about;)
http://www.sherman.be/

samples are on the right hand side under..........*sounds*
 
i would look for a better synth.... rather than trying to turn a compressor into a instrument of destruction..

mutolator, sherman filter bank, electrix...etc


check out the samples here:cool: is this what your talking about;)
http://www.sherman.be/

samples are on the right hand side under..........*sounds*

I appreciate the insight but really I have the synth filter thing down - I build my own analog synthesizers. I really couldn't buy anything better as far as that goes. Primarily, I need something which can apply strong compression effects to samples, loops and non-musical FX ...and hopefully won't cost a small fortune ;)
 
some suggestions:
cheap: alesis micro limiter
mid: shure level-lock (or the sherlock clone)
high end: spectrasonics 610 or distressor

ohhh..yeah....cool new stuff to search:cool: bookmarked..thanks kojdogg
 
i haven't tried it, but i've read rave reviews of it. it's described as kind an envelope filter compressor. apparently it's great for reshaping drum transients. sony oxford makes a similar product in plugin form-- transient modulator if you're a pro tools user.
 
Reading the few reviews I've found it makes me think of the TC Electronic Triple C digital compressor. That unit had 3 types of dynamics processing including the "Envelope Mode". Here is the blurb about how it worked...
The Envelope mode of the Triple•C allows you to alter the dynamic envelope of the incoming source by changing the gain at the Attack and Release point of the original source. This effect is especially effective on percussive source material.

Another envelope filter style dynamics modifier. Very interesting....

Back to SPL I also read some rave reviews of the Dynamaxx compressor. the SOS review was particularly interesting.

Kinda digging their new modular rack system too - droool
 
There's an old compressor/limiter made by MXR in the 70's called the dual limiter. You can get them pretty cheap on eBay, and there's one up there right now. If you use extreme settings on it, the MXR will probably get you where you want to go.

There also were some little Alesis Modfx stompbox type units that do just what you want. One of them was called the Bitrman, and the other I can't remember but is the extreme compressor and would be another one for you to look at.
 
There's an old compressor/limiter made by MXR in the 70's called the dual limiter. You can get them pretty cheap on eBay, and there's one up there right now. If you use extreme settings on it, the MXR will probably get you where you want to go.

There also were some little Alesis Modfx stompbox type units that do just what you want. One of them was called the Bitrman, and the other I can't remember but is the extreme compressor and would be another one for you to look at.

Hey the MXR appears to have balanced XLR too - not bad. I'm on it!:D

Can't find much about the Alesis units. Seems there was a range of them at one time.

Thanks for the helpful tips SonicAlbert :)

hmmm, I'm try for a MicroLimiter too!
Then when my paycheck arrives I believe I'm gonna give in to the hype and order that Dynamaxx. Can't find a bad review anywhere...
 
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Bagged a T. C. Electronics Triple-C on Ebay just now. I'm curious about that Envelope Mode it has. Certainly, much less expensive than the Transient Designer. More useful also considering the multi-band and single-band compression too.
The sound quality of TC stuff is decent IMO so I'm thinking this can be more of a swiss army knife than just an effect compressor.

I let the auction for the MicroLim go - I just couldn't see spending more than $30 on it.

Got a few more days on the MXR yet. Read some interesting reviews about this box and it certainly does seem to be right up my alley.

My friend at the music store clued me onto something when I told him what I was looking for. He said the Soul Preacher pedal is a beast and great for smash and grab stuff with sources other than guitar.
http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F001_NANO_Line%2F31_Soul_Preacher
I plan to go back and demo it when I find more time.
 
Better make sure that Triple C is the stereo version. They came in two versions: mono and stereo, and both look alike. Very hard to tell them apart from the looks alone. If you paid around $200 it's probably the mono Triple C (or maybe a very beat up stereo Triple C).

Also, TC gear is about as far to the opposite end of the spectrum from "nasty" as you can get. Their gear tends to be polite and clean sounding.

Further, the Triple C is a digital compressor. So I always wonder why buy a digital box when you can get a plugin to do more or less the same thing more conveniently? For me, outboard needs to be analog (other than reverb and fx boxes).

I don't want to rain on your parade, but the Triple C is a curious choice given what you stated your were looking for in your first post. As a general all-arounder, yes it is a good choice. As a mangle box, I don't think it's going to get you where you want to go.

Perhaps another one to look at is the Urei/JBL 7110. Of course, the current king of this style compression is the Distressor. But that's a lot more money. The MXR will do part of what the Distressor will, but not the whole thing. It can do like one trick the Distressor can, but it doesn't sound as hi-fi of course. The Distressor is amazing in that it can do all sorts of different compression and compression styles. Quite a remarkable box.
 
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Better make sure that Triple C is the stereo version. They came in two versions: mono and stereo, and both look alike. Very hard to tell them apart from the looks alone. If you paid around $200 it's probably the mono Triple C (or maybe a very beat up stereo Triple C).

I contacted the seller before I bid. It is indeed the stereo unit. I paid $250 for it and it looks clean in the pics.

Also, TC gear is about as far to the opposite end of the spectrum from "nasty" as you can get. Their gear tends to be polite and clean sounding.

Further, the Triple C is a digital compressor. So I always wonder why buy a digital box when you can get a plugin to do more or less the same thing more conveniently? For me, outboard needs to be analog (other than reverb and fx boxes).

I don't want to rain on your parade, but the Triple C is a curious choice given what you stated your were looking for in your first post. As a general all-arounder, yes it is a good choice. As a mangle box, I don't think it's going to get you where you want to go.

I agree and it wasn't my first choice. Frankly I have given up on compressor plugins. Since I began upgrading the circuitry in my console I can hear things so much better and listening closely to tracks using the plugins I hear artifacts I don't like. I may eventually hear some artifacts with a digital hardware compressor too. Just playing around with the compressor in my G-Major was pretty eye-opening though. Sounded fine and performed respectably.

The preset thing is gonna be handy too. With ditching the compressor plugins I lose the ability to make presets of commonly used settings. So there's another bonus with the Triple-C.

As for mangling, the more I read up on envelope style compression the more I think I can use it for creative sound design. I like the idea of being able to boost only the attack or decay way out of proportion. In one of my songs I got a very cool noisy effect on the vocal by allowing the mic to pick up sound from my monitors during tracking and then creatively using a noise gate and EQ on the bleed. I like stuff like this and having finer control over the envelope will open up more options.

Later this year we will start doing shows again and it will be pretty sweet having a multi-band compressor with presets on stage. So, yeah not the ultimate trash-box but a neat little collection of tools for a number of scenarios.

Perhaps another one to look at is the Urei/JBL 7110. Of course, the current king of this style compression is the Distressor. But that's a lot more money. The MXR will do part of what the Distressor will, but not the whole thing. It can do like one trick the Distressor can, but it doesn't sound as hi-fi of course. The Distressor is amazing in that it can do all sorts of different compression and compression styles. Quite a remarkable box.

I've been trying to get my hands on the Urei/JBL 7110 for ages. Some local jerk recently tried ripping me off with an ad on craigslist for a pair of these. Wanted the money mailed to him up front because he was out of town and couldn't let me demo the units :rolleyes:. I keep getting beat on Ebay for them too where people are bidding stupid money for them. :confused:

The Distressor is enticing from all the good I have heard about them. It's just a stretch for me to cough up almost 3 grand for a pair of compressors just to trash sounds with. The logic doesn't work for me. Of course they can be used clean too but even then I'd rather get something like the Drawmer 1968 and spend some money in other areas - like synth stuff or more John Hardy 990Cs for my console :D

It's interesting to read reviews of the DynaMaxx where some people are calling it the new Distressor. For the price it's pretty tempting.
I wish I could get my hands on one to demo...
 
The Distressors really are "all that" though. They do clean very nicely in a high end way, plus can go all the way to distortion superbly. I have the Brit mod on my pair and it gives such a sweet distortion. Plus they have an opto compressor at 10:1 ratio. There are so many sounds possible out of this box it is remarkable. At the price it might seem expensive, but what you get for that money is a lot--it's way more than a distortion box. By the time you've picked up an MXR, Triple C, pair of 7110's, and maybe a couple other boxes, you could have gotten into a pair of Distressors or be close to it.

The 1968 gets a lot of good comments from users though too, although I've never used one myself. I recently bought an API 2500, but it's still on order--I haven't received it yet.

I also get bothered by artifacts I hear in plugins. What gets me the most is a sound that I call "processing", it's very subtle but it takes some beauty away from the tone.

However, I have found a very limited number of affordable plugins that do a nice job. I use only a few different plugins but they get used a lot. The Steve Massey plugs, a few PSP plugs, Roger Nichols Digital plugs (formerly Elemental Audio), and that's about it. The rest is hardware.
 
The Distressors really are "all that" though. They do clean very nicely in a high end way, plus can go all the way to distortion superbly. I have the Brit mod on my pair and it gives such a sweet distortion. Plus they have an opto compressor at 10:1 ratio. There are so many sounds possible out of this box it is remarkable. At the price it might seem expensive, but what you get for that money is a lot--it's way more than a distortion box. By the time you've picked up an MXR, Triple C, pair of 7110's, and maybe a couple other boxes, you could have gotten into a pair of Distressors or be close to it.
Considering the style of music i create I suppose the Distressor should be on my shopping list. The good thing is I don't have to buy the pair in one shot - one now and one later makes it much easier to manage.

Having a menu of various boxes also has the drawback of taking up more space. The whole less-is-more applies to some extent. I like to have variety and options so a pair of very powerful boxes that can provide that is better in the long haul.
That said, I am a hardware freak and I'm nothing if not inventive. Learning the various pieces of gear in depth sometimes has the benefit of finding new ways to use them and applying their individual strengths effectively. The lesser expensive analog boxes are also ripe for tinkering and mods which is always fun for me.
In the end, I can always Ebay the units that become redundant in the presence of the Distressor. :D

The 1968 gets a lot of good comments from users though too, although I've never used one myself. I recently bought an API 2500, but it's still on order--I haven't received it yet.
The 1968 is on my wish-list but I wonder if it is as flexible as people say it is. I've read that many Drawmer units are one-trick ponies.

I'm sure that API will keep you happy for a very long time. Having studied it's schematics I can tell there is potential for really great sounds with that box. I'm jealous ;)
I also get bothered by artifacts I hear in plugins. What gets me the most is a sound that I call "processing", it's very subtle but it takes some beauty away from the tone.

I know what you mean and this is exactly why I refuse to mix in the box. Even sending a quad of stereo subgroups into a hardware mixer goes a long way to eliminating that ITB canned sound. I don't plan on stopping there though - I bought a 32 channel console for a reason! Eventually I'll have enough I/Os from the computer that I shouldn't have to do any mixing ITB. I prefer whatever noise and distortion that might get picked from this analog process much more than that "processing" you speak of.

However, I have found a very limited number of affordable plugins that do a nice job. I use only a few different plugins but they get used a lot. The Steve Massey plugs, a few PSP plugs, Roger Nichols Digital plugs (formerly Elemental Audio), and that's about it. The rest is hardware.

I've had to rely on the plugs simply because I didn't have enough hardware on the outside to handle all the tasks. In this light I suppose I can make another argument for buying a stack of outboard compressors. However, I admit I have not tried any of the pricey plugins. I'd love to try them but unlike hardware it's not easy to resell them if I don't like what I hear. I'll still use plugs for reverb as needed because hardware versions of the same quality are mostly beyond my reach. Artifacts also tend to get burried in the tail or under the mix.

So far I'm still top bidder on the MXR unit - wish me luck :D
 
MXR Dual limter is pretty cool for some really nasty and cool distortion effects.

On extreme enough settings, and using the diode limiter, the Symetrix 501 can be pretty cool on drum / percussion samples.

As for cheap / cool plugins, I'd recommend demo'ing the PSP vintage warmer and the Mixpressor. The mixpressor, in particular, can be really cool for the exploding, bombastic snare sample thing.
 
The plugs I mentioned earlier are actually on the inexpensive side, especially the Massey and PSP plugins. I simply don't spend a lot of money on plugins.

My concept with outboard is that I basically treat my DAW as an 8 buss/8 aux send mixer. Actually 10 buss, but I mostly use it as eight.

So I have enough outboard to handle the eight busses and eight sends. A choice of analog compressors and eq for the busses. As far as reverb/fx, I also have enough of that to handle eight aux sends, either in stereo or mono. It all gets submixed by a Speck X.Sum and then the mix is sent back to the DAW.

If you want to jump your mixes up to the next level I *highly* recommend using an excellent quality outboard reverb unit or two. In fact, I suggest two as the minimum. One for the lead sounds and one for the other sounds. This will make a huge difference.

Reverb plugins bother me even more than compressor plugins.

My outboard reverbs are:

Lexicon PCM-91
TC M3000
Eventide Reverb 2016
Klark Teknik DN780
Roland SRV-2000
Kurzweil KSP8

Of those, the Kurzweil gives incredible bang for the buck. If you were to buy only one I'd suggest that or the PCM-91. A good pairing would be a PCM-91 and TC M3000. Seriously, you need to consider a couple really good hardware reverbs. It's one of those things you just can't cheat on.
 
MXR Dual limter is pretty cool for some really nasty and cool distortion effects.

On extreme enough settings, and using the diode limiter, the Symetrix 501 can be pretty cool on drum / percussion samples.

As for cheap / cool plugins, I'd recommend demo'ing the PSP vintage warmer and the Mixpressor. The mixpressor, in particular, can be really cool for the exploding, bombastic snare sample thing.

Cool. :) I'll be sure to watch out for these plugs. Although I'm not real thrilled with plugs at the moment I'm not close-minded to trying new ones on advice from others.
Funny you mentioned the Symetrix unit I was just reading some old posts about it on this forum from the previous century. I'll put some more effort into researching this unit.
Sweet now I got more fuel for bidding on that MXR :D

Saw a few interesting reviews in another forum for the Valley People Dynamite and the Gain Brain II. Supposedly, the Dynamite will steal your lunch money or some such thing when pushed hard.
And the Gain Brain II is somewhat unruly but also well rounded enough for vox. You guys/gals know anything else about these items?

If you want to jump your mixes up to the next level I *highly* recommend using an excellent quality outboard reverb unit or two. In fact, I suggest two as the minimum. One for the lead sounds and one for the other sounds. This will make a huge difference.

Reverb plugins bother me even more than compressor plugins.

My outboard reverbs are:

Lexicon PCM-91
TC M3000
Eventide Reverb 2016
Klark Teknik DN780
Roland SRV-2000
Kurzweil KSP8

Of those, the Kurzweil gives incredible bang for the buck. If you were to buy only one I'd suggest that or the PCM-91. A good pairing would be a PCM-91 and TC M3000. Seriously, you need to consider a couple really good hardware reverbs. It's one of those things you just can't cheat on.

I think I stumbled across your personal website while researching, Sonic Albert - Really sweet setup you have there :)

I suppose I should be mildly embarrassed to admit my best reverb is the FreeVerb II plug. I like the G-Major though it is lush and clear. As far as reverbs that work with my style I've actually been extremely satisfied with a bottom of the barrel unit - the Korg DRV1000 ($10)
I have two bands of parametric EQ on it's input and the little 12 bit box becomes pretty flexible. The grain of it's sound is quite tasty on my synths. That unit is part of the recipe for my signature distorted lead sound. I will get more of these trashy things because I'm constantly fascinated by a reverb that can sound aggressive - it's like a whole different effect ;)

That Kurzweil unit does seem to be in my league for use as a GOOD reverb though. I always liked Kurzweil effects. The Roland I've heard, it's pretty good from what I remember.
I really fell in love with the Sony DPS R7 a friend of mine used to have. Very underrated little unit there.

I appreciate all the tips and info, please keep 'em coming. You folks are a treasure chest of gear knowledge! :D
 
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