My first song, Help me out

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This is my first finnished song (recording wise). My second song (writing wise). I mixed this the best I could. It is hard to mix this because of the different strings and hand drums, it is very atypical. Let me know of any comments whether it is about the mix or song, I am up for anything as long as it makes me better. Thanks.

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=2039&alid=388

You will have to download it, I don't know how to get the low and high fi links to work (any suggestions?)
 
lo-fi worked fine for me. now, the tune. you play very well my friend. I mean, very well. The production of the tune is great. where the hell you been man. I want say much about recording cause I'm not smart enough. but I know when I like a tune, and this is one I really like. I think you'll get some very good reaction with this. more please.

dtb
 
My Input

Hey "D"
Great job whether it is your first or 100th.
I listened to it at work on hi-fi playback with lab-tec speakers.
Any mix suggestions may be skewed due to the speakers.
The Djembe (or whatever lowest drum) is just barely too loud when it first comes in before your layers build up. The strings sound real (probably are) there are pitch problems with the violins at the end. these are all very minor in comparision to the really bang up job you did.
The vocalist is very,very good. To me, spot on pitch, and great consistancy throughout his range (is that you?).
Please tell me how you got that great acoustic guitar sound. What was the guitar? What was your mic and signal path?
Really good!!

tmix
Tmix Studios
 
I really liked the guitars. Very nice. Liked the "strings" - they were a nice touch.

I didn't care for the percussion, it didn't seem to fit. I think the vocals were performed very well. They could use some effects, possibly reverb to make them stand a bit more.

The intro was a bit long. Nice tune.
 
First of all, I thought it was a really cool song. I like this kind of stuff. Guitars sounded very nice. I agree that the percussion sounds, though cool sounds in and of themselves, seemed out of place here. What I really want to know, is what were you using for those string sounds? I thought those were killer! You mixed them fine too.

By the way, I could stream HiFi just fine.


Twist
 
First of all thanks for the compliments. I will answer questions in order recieved.

The Djembe is a bit loud, I had a hard time mixing this because it was all done in my Sony 7506 headphones. I now have some M-audio SP-8b's but haven't used them yet. So it wasn't until everything was said and done that I was able to tell a lot of these things. Some systems you can barely even tell there is a drum and others it pounds you so hard you feel like losing your lunch.

The strings are real. I noticed the pitch issues, there are other spots too, not just at the end. The problem is I put the strings into Melodyne to fix the timing and pitch a little. When I did the pitch I changed every note individually to be at 0 cents. Well this sounds good in theory but when mixed with everything "perfect" pitch doesn't necessarily sound totally natural or right all the time. I have thought about going back and putting auto-tune on them and hopsfully that would make them sound more "in tune".

The vocalist is me. Don't get too impressed though, it took me three takes to "nail" it. I am still not completely satisfied with them but I was on a deadline. I also did use auto tune on one note. It wasn't far off but it was enought that I could notice.

As far as the guitars go, it is a simple setup. That is the one thing I am really happy with as far as my recording goes. Here is what I did for this one. I used my Guild JF-55 (Jumbo). I miced it at the 12th fret and then did a second take doing it the same way. I then hard panned the first track left, and the second track right. The mic was a 603. No effects on the guitar, I don't even think I had to EQ it if I remember correctly. The Pre was my Soundracs 12-4 pre's. I had done them first with my Edirol UA-5 USB interface with built in pre's (I used it for most of the recording), but redid them when I got my mixer. They sounded almost identical so I think the sound you hear is mainly due to the guitar and the mic.

I agree on the drums, that has been the hardest thing with this band. live the Djembe sounds great but when recording it is just woofy and unfocussed. The top you hear on this one are congas, and the bottom is a Djembe. We tried it with real drums and it did not work at all. I would really like suggestions on how to get the hand drums to sound natural and fit in the mix.

The vocals have a fair bit of reverb on them. Most people I have talked to feel it is almost too much, but I do see the problem with them sitting. I was hoping to have them more upfront and warm, but I have a hard time getting a warm sound with my voice through my C-1 and pre's. I tried a Blue Kiwi a week or so ago going through a Averill Neve, and it was awsome. Needles to say I am working on getting new pre's, and I have a Dragonfly and a NTK on the way. Any more suggestions on the Vocal track would be appreciated.

And again I used actual strings. We have two violinists and a Cello player, you can see them by going to our Biography page on nowhere radio. They are great live, but in the studio had a couple timing issues so I used Melodyne to help that out. i sacrificed naturalness for timing perfection, but when A/Bing the two this was the better choice. I miced the violins with my 603 a foot off of the F-hole, in a small carpeted room, and panned them about 60% left for the one and 60% right for the other. The Cello had a 603 in front of it, and my C-1 behind it to catch some bass. I panned one mic 15% to the left and the other 15% to the right (I think).

I am mentioning all the details here so I can be chatised if I am doing things wrong. I really would like suggestions. Thanks
 
This sounds great.You're getting some great acoustic guitar tracks..The Vocals are really good too.Nice strings and real to boot!

Enjoyed it.
 
Sounds amazing. Your vocals are great! As are the strings and the acoustic guitars. Very nice job indeed!
 
Violins

Hey "D"

I've been micing solo violins for a while so I've experimented quite a bit.

If you want a fuller sweeter sound rather than the boxier-stringy-bow type sound that you get from above, I have had excellent results micing from below the violin about 18 inches down and in front of the headstock pointed up towards where the neck meets the body. Really sounds sweet particularly when as a main instrument.I usually use my AT-4033 and put them in my 4 x 6 vocal booth.

tmix
 
nice acoustic sound.. (except the squeaks) It's great to hear real strings.. the percussion was cool, but maybe could be thinned out a bit or lowered.. nice vocals.. I really like those strings.. good stuff!

great strings!
 
You know, I usually hate acoustic stuff...




(that's a joke, btw...I'm all about acoustic - there's just something very natural and honest about it to me...of course, I usually suck all the honesty out of it with autotune, but you seem to know how to use it sparingly and with taste.)

That cello rules.

I'm hearing (tasteful) backup vocals in my head like crazy. Can I sing some backups if I promise not to use autotune? LOL. You can't stop me, really. I'm just asking to be polite.

:D :D

Okay, all joking aside, this is beautiful, and I usually don't think to do this, but have some stars. I really like this.
 
Nice song. Good sound. Really cool.

Djembe needs some work..... I'm the band coordinator at a large church so I play live to about 3,500 people every weekend. We don't use the djembe that often.... but when we do .... we use the stand designed for it which holds it about a foot off the ground. The tech guys put a sm58 on a boom stand so that the mic sticks inside it from the bottom of the djembe ...pointed up. I'm sure that's not the way Harvey or someone would mic it.... but it sounds really good every time they do it. So I guess that's what counts.
 
One more thing about djembe. I'm not trying to critize because the song sounds good. Sometimes djembe sounds better if it isn't played in a groove. This sounds like a kick snare groove done on a djembe. I would add more creativity to it. A person can get about 948579785 sounds out of a djembe.

That's what I think.... but I'm just another musician.
 
I'm posting again b/c I've listened several times, and I wanted to throw my "full" comments into this one.

The Song itself, I like very much. It's clear without being too literal, so the listener can extrapolate a bit. For me, it brought to mind a very good friend of mine who has a child with autism. It's just the "trapped inside" vibe of the song, and that's obviously not what it's about, but it's a tough thing to do, and I think you pulled it off very well. Plus, the chorus is just killer. The tune is obviously too long for most radio formats, but I can actually hear this on rock stations....Kinda' like that tune, "Bother," that was done by the lead singer for Slipknot. Anyway, I usually don't give a flying flip about the length of tunes. On this one, it's just looping anyway, so it could be an hour long and that'd be cool with me.

I noticed some intonation problems with the gits @ 9 seconds and around :21 seconds, but it seems to get buried in the rest of the song if it's still there. Pretty slight stuff.

I have no idea what a "Djembe" is, but if we're talking about percussive instrument that sounds like a floor tom, then I think the sound of it is excellent, but it's a little hot in the mix...quite a bit actually.

That's it. I like this song a lot.

Hope this isn't a "driveby" post, because i'd be interested in hearing more from you.
 
Real strings! No wonder they sounded so good! Here I was hoping you had the answer to authentic sounding "synth strings"!
Must be nice to have an orchestra for a friend!
I'm with Chris on the "driveby" thing.


Twist
 
Once again I really appreciate your comments. I was expecting more on the mechanics of everything so to get these possitive comments about the song by itself is very flattering and inspiring, I am definatly not a driveby poster. Ithis will definatly be the first place I stop before finnishing any projects. I understand the LONG song thing. Most of our songs exceed five minutes. I think it is just what feels comfortable for us, we have no desire for radio or anything we are just having fun while at school but I really would like to write something shorter just for my own sake, practices take forever :) I will be turning down the Djembe for sure, I am planning on putting some of the same reverb that was on the other tracks on the drums to help it sit better in the mix, do you think this will work well? I know what you mean about the kick snare thing, that is actually excactly what we try to do. It is our only source of rythem live and we have tried to simulate a drum kit the best we can. If anybody has ever seen the band "Guster" you will see this done to the highest magnitude you could imagine (check them out). But I do agree, we have tried figuring out new ways to play it to avoid the utter manotany we are currently experiencing. Imagine the same or similar beat on every song :(

Yes it is nice having strings for friends and the selection is plentiful here at my school, it is a private religious University and the Orchestra is big, and most of them kill to play in something other than the usual stuff. Also I am going to try the alternative micing techniques on the Djembe and the violins, I think better mic placement would help me a lot. I used to stereo mic the violins with a room mic and then do some fun panning. They sounded amazing by themselves, but when thrown in with the other tracks it started getting undefined and sloppy.

Thanks for your observations Chris, you are right on the money. I have a specific historical insident it is based on, and then it has a lot of personal application weaved into it. Most of my songs are similar in that respect.

I was wondering about the congas. When ya'll talk about the drums being loud and what not does that include the congas or just the Djembe.

Also Chris if you got some good ideas send them to me, I always like other viewpoints.

Thanks again to everyone.
 
dudleys100 said:

Also Chris if you got some good ideas send them to me, I always like other viewpoints.
I recant what I said about the Djembe, if I've got the right instrument, LOL. I think the level's actually okay. An EQ cut of the low lows on it (i.e., below 70Hz) will do wonders, I think. You'll still get the cool tone without blowing out the subs in your car/van/limousine.

I don't mind telling you one bit that I've continued to listen to this tune throughout the day...burned a CD for the car...etc. I'm just another nobody, but I listen to a ton of music, and this song is (for me) truly excellent. I'm gonna' put some background vocals on this track tonight for my own sanity...See, when I hear something like this that I really like, all I do is sing harmonies to it, and I can't sing all the harmonies I'm hearing on this at the same time in the car, LOL. Anyway, I'll send you a PM and let you know where you can hear it if you want.

Thanks for this song.
 
I f*ckin love this!! I love strings. Those "drums" fit perfectly for me.

I dunno about the mix yet cos I'm just enjoyin the tune :)

I'll get back to ya, I just had to post this first :D
 
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