MXL V77, SP C1, Neumann M149 observations

[wilkee]

Re: Re: Re: MXL V77, SP C1, Neumann M149 observations

Are you a little prejudiced? I have

Prejudiced ? Hell no. For all I know your monitors may make mine seem rubbish.

Its just that when comparing Mics it is very important that other people are made aware as to the full listening chain.

For instance I am not in the slightest bit interested in any thread that compares Y to Z when the guy is monitoring on cheapo computor speakers or similar.

 

[Han]

I've used a V77, and I've used a V69.

While the V69 just sounded basically like ass, the V77 I actually found utterly useless.

Chess, as you may have noticed, nobody has responded to your post so far and you may be asking yourself why.

Well, I'm gonna tell you: because a statement like that is plain stupid.

I have listened to your recordings and I must say they sound really good, so you must know what you're talking about, but reading a statement like that confuses me. How can someone who knows how to make a good sound, say something like that? There's something wrong here.

You may have noticed that Harvey uses the 'utterly useless' V77 a lot, although he has at least 99 other mics.

I don't get it.

 

[DJL]

Cool mic..Good luck with it..What you useing for a pre with it?




Don

So far just the Ghost.

 

[DJL]

Chess, as you may have noticed, nobody has responded to your post so far and you may be asking yourself why.

Well, I'm gonna tell you: because a statement like that is plain stupid.

I have listened to your recordings and I must say they sound really good, so you must know what you're talking about, but reading a statement like that confuses me. How can someone who knows how to make a good sound, say something like that? There's something wrong here.

You may have noticed that Harvey uses the 'utterly useless' V77 a lot, although he has at least 99 other mics.

I don't get it.

I think how, where, and on what a mic is used for matters... and every mic is subject to ones opinion... and not everyones opinion is going to be in agreement.

 

[Han]

DJL

As you know Harvey is a guy who probably knows more about microphones than anybody else who come here.
And he has said several times that he likes the V69 and the V77.
If you visit his website you can find out that Harvey owns more than 100 microphones and some of these mics are known as being very good sounding mics.

And when we have a discussion about a certain inexpensive tubemic which is loved and appreciated by quite a number of homerecording engineers but also professional engineers, this is a useful discussion IMHO.

Then comes the great Chessrock with a pretty strong statement about the 'utterly useless' V77 and the first thing that comes to my mind is: I'm not going to respond.

But the day after I'm going to his website and listen to a couple of his recordings, which sounds pretty well, so something is bothering me here.

I know it's a matter of taste, but stating that the V69 and V77 are crap is just silly.

If you're recording whatever voice or instrument, you will find out that a V77 is more true to the sound of the source than many so called 'great' mics which cost the same or even more.

This is my opinion and if you disagree.............well, okay then.

 

[crazydoc]

Then comes the great Chessrock with a pretty strong statement about the 'utterly useless' V77 and the first thing that comes to my mind is: I'm not going to respond.

Han -
You have to understand that chess gets his rocks off with statements like that. They are meaningless in themselves, without any factual basis, but useful sometimes for getting discussions started.

 

[DJL]

DJL

As you know Harvey is a guy who probably knows more about microphones than anybody else who come here.
And he has said several times that he likes the V69 and the V77.
If you visit his website you can find out that Harvey owns more than 100 microphones and some of these mics are known as being very good sounding mics.

And when we have a discussion about a certain inexpensive tubemic which is loved and appreciated by quite a number of homerecording engineers but also professional engineers, this is a useful discussion IMHO.

Then comes the great Chessrock with a pretty strong statement about the 'utterly useless' V77 and the first thing that comes to my mind is: I'm not going to respond.

But the day after I'm going to his website and listen to a couple of his recordings, which sounds pretty well, so something is bothering me here.

I know it's a matter of taste, but stating that the V69 and V77 are crap is just silly.

If you're recording whatever voice or instrument, you will find out that a V77 is more true to the sound of the source than many so called 'great' mics which cost the same or even more.

This is my opinion and if you disagree.............well, okay then.

Well, none the less, chessrock thinks the V77 sucks ass... and just like you and everyone else, chressrock is entitled to voice his opinion.

 

[Han]

>and just like you and everyone else, chressrock is entitled to voice his opinion.<

Of course he is! He has the right to make a fool of himself also.

 

[Henri Devill]

So far just the Ghost.

You're gonna love it on vox,and it works pretty well on alot of things..The only thing that I've used it for that it didn't do a decent job was a "screaming singer" ..Pres in the Ghost should work nicely



Don

 

[DJL]

You're gonna love it on vox,and it works pretty well on alot of things..The only thing that I've used it for that it didn't do a decent job was a "screaming singer" ..Pres in the Ghost should work nicely



Don

Thanks Don, I'm loving it... and hoping to use it more soon.

Han Quote...
"Of course he is! He has the right to make a fool of himself also."

I don't think that voicing ones opinion about a mic makes them look like a fool... instead, I think it paints a more balanced and better over-all picture.

 

[Flatpicker]

I understood that the plate is "current" starved rather then voltage starved, but I'd still classify that as a "starved plate" design...

For the record (and/or anyone who cares ), an email from Gus caused me to go back and re-read the info Marik sent me and it’s just like he said – it uses a much larger than normal cathode resister which is not a starved plate design but does limit the current flowing through the tube, thus changing the output impedance so that a 12.5:1 transformer can be used. Most likely this is done because the Chinese 12.5:1 transformer was available and affordable (have I said that already?).

While this indeed works, it’s quite obvious that the tube is going to be handicapped, at least to some point, due to the current limitations. Marik is going to redesign the thing the way some of us believe it should have been in the first place…….and I’m very anxious as to what the outcome will be.

The reason I’m telling this here is because the V77 might work the same way, being a transformer-coupled tube mic from China.

There. I just had to get that off my chest!

 

[Marik]

Huh...

Thank you Flatpicker. I am glad it's coming from you. After your last post I was wondering should I start arguing and get into tech details, but then desided not to--anyway, this is not a thread about Nady...


There. I just had to get that off my chest!

 

[Flatpicker]

Thank you Flatpicker. I am glad it's coming from you.

Yep, I'm a "visual" learner. Should've waited till I saw the schematic. Did you ever scan that thing, btw?

Also, feel free to correct me anytime you want. I do tend to be wrong every now and then.

 

[DJL]

Originally posted by Han
"Of course he is! He has the right to make a fool of himself also."

I don't think your a fool just because you like the B1 or because you don't like the Shure SM57.

 

[btr31]

i dont think there are many people here, myself included, who have much of a right or experience to compare a Neumann vocal mic to another mic under 1K.

 

[itsgeorge]

did someone mention a schematic for the V77 ? i would love one, pleease..

 

[moresound]

THIS link didn't help?