MSH-2 Evaluation

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Thanks guys, I appreciate it, you answered what I was wondering about.

So if I were to get the mounting bar that you have and use an ORTF or Baffled Pair that would be fine.

For the price there really isn't much to loose and it looks like it may be just what I'm after.

Thanks for building these mics.

Lucio
 
WillyDavidK said:
I'm very interested in these mics at the moment as well. It's great to know that they are good for drum o/h, but I'm curious as to how they stand up as a vocal mic.
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Honestly, probably not too well. I'd expect an AT3035 to roundly kill the MSH for vocals. Generally, people don't want a flat response very small diaphragm mic for vocals. Probably only a classical style singer or similar would want that.

Having said that, they would be quite useful on a choir, and can handle light voiceover chores; since they lack proximity effect, they are not that sensitive to erratic artists.

The most likely uses I'll have for them would be vocal, drum o/h, and maybe a little accoustic guitar. Also, just out of curiosity, how do the mics fare in recording horns or wind instruments?
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Wind instruments, from my experiments, should be very good. Brass I don't know, I have little experience with brass and none with these mics. Probably good for an ensemble, but I'd worry about SPL handling for close micing horns.
 
hm thanks, that info helps a lot. considering how cheap they are, I'll prolly just end up getting them and 3035 as well. It looks like I can get a matched pair, stereo bar, and 2 clips for 60 bucks - that is, if your free clip deal is still good.
 
MSHilarious: Hi , I have a couple questions if you don"t mind me asking??

I was wondering if you did have the space for the Curcuit what changes would you make to it to improove the performance??

It is just that I the Mics I make I have quite a Bit more space than what you have in an XLR so I can afford to use a More complex curcuit or use Larger components than you so If you could give me some Ideas on what to try i would be very interested in hearing your suggestions.....

Also if you ever need Mic Bodies like the ones I use that have considerably more space in them I can get them for you pretty cheap as I only pay about $3-$4 each and they come with a Grill and an On/Off switch and an XLR and all you have to do is Clean out the Crappy Components inside and put in your components....
Like maybe if you perfect your Tube curcuit and need more space?

The only thing i don"t like about them is that since they are made of Hard Plastic (Accept for the Grills) they are very light so they have a cheap feel to them, then again a Mic doesn"t have to be Heavey to be good, especially since the active parts of the mic probably weigh less than an ouce....

Well anyways....Have a Good one.. :)

Cheers
 
Minion said:
MSHilarious: Hi , I have a couple questions if you don"t mind me asking??

I was wondering if you did have the space for the Curcuit what changes would you make to it to improove the performance?
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I'd use a completely different circuit, a long-tailed pair arrangement. That allows the use of smaller caps, so they could be poly films. Also it would allow a higher supply voltage.

Or instead, maybe even an opamp, like in the Linkwitz design, but run off phantom power.

The problem with the LTP in an XLR is that the transistors need to be next to the output, with the caps nearer to the capsule. Very difficult to do inside an XLR, which is tapered towards the capsule.

Also, it would use more parts and take much longer to assemble. That would raise the cost of the microphone closer to the Behri/Apex omnis. I feel my existing circuit has already exceeded the performance of those mics, so I am not really looking to make any further changes. I have two other "colored" circuits I am playing with, then I will turn my attention towards other projects.

Mics are fun to play with though :)

Like maybe if you perfect your Tube curcuit and need more space?
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Actually I have found a way to fit a tube inside a Neutrik connector, I am working on the circuit itself now. I still don't know if it will work well enough, or even sound good :confused:
 
mshilarious said:
I am working on the (tube) circuit itself now. I still don't know if it will work well enough, or even sound good :confused:
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Hasn't stopped anyone else from making tube stuff. The difference is you probablt won't sell it if it sounds like shit. :)
 
Wow, just catching on that you are selling these. The clips I've heard so far are killer. I can't think of a better-sounding mic at even 3x the price. I'm pretty sure I will be buying a set of these as I don't even have any omnis right now (and I'm probably too lazy to build something myself. I'll post my thoughts further after actually using them, but I'm fairly certain that everyone on this board needs a pair.
I wish you luck with these; hope you sell a barrel of 'em.
:cool:

Edit: Oh snap, you make/sell mic pads too! You're gonna save me a bunch of trouble. :)
 
Hi

Just placed an order for a matched pair and clips.
Looking forward to trying them out - mainly on
acoustic guitar and percussion

Regards
 
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I just placed an order myself.

*sigh* Now to go take this $24 wire wrap tool back to Frys. If the packaging had said the size, I'd have known I couldn't use it.... Bloody oversize pins....

I finally decided to wire up the transformers for my in-progress tube preamp using ethernet cables. I needed wire wrap and didn't want to hard-wire them in place. Of course, like any geek, I have most of a 500' reel of ethernet cable in a cabinet in my kitchen, along with connectors, so it was a perfect fit. ;)
 
I just listened to the sample clips posted at the eBay store. Wow! Especially impressive was the stereo imaging in the drum overhead clip.
 
Yo, MS,

Completely OT. Solid-state isn't my strength, I've got a question, maybe you can point me in a direction. I've got an old Digitech delay, RDS1900. It has a red LED on the front that flashes as a general tempo indicator, fast or slow, I'd like it to match the actual tempo. Any ideas? The delay chip should have some kind of output with the tempo on it, no?
 
boingoman said:
Yo, MS,

Completely OT. Solid-state isn't my strength, I've got a question, maybe you can point me in a direction. I've got an old Digitech delay, RDS1900. It has a red LED on the front that flashes as a general tempo indicator, fast or slow, I'd like it to match the actual tempo. Any ideas? The delay chip should have some kind of output with the tempo on it, no?
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Without a schematic, that would be kinda tough. Somewhere there will be a timing signal that triggers the delay, you would need to tap that signal and route it to the transistor that controls the LED. If the LED uses a timing chip like a 555, it would probably be somewhat easier to implement.
 
mshilarious said:
Without a schematic, that would be kinda tough. Somewhere there will be a timing signal that triggers the delay, you would need to tap that signal and route it to the transistor that controls the LED. If the LED uses a timing chip like a 555, it would probably be somewhat easier to implement.
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Thanks, that's about what I thought. I am hoping the timing signal is accessible somewhere, and not only internal to the delay chip. I had thought of tapping the feedback loop if I could, but it seems like that would only work if signal was going through. Hmm..maybe a second LED to show repeats...
 
mshilarious said:
The MSH-2 was a very limited production mic, only 8 were made, and none were sold :eek:

Its commercial successor is the MSH-1A, have a look for that. Or click the link below ;)
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Can you "not sell" some to me too? :D I record Death Metal, this way you could have a clip of your mics recording Death Metal. :D :D

I can't wait to try out your product.

Take Care
 
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