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12milluz
New member
I will be using a room to mix in and it has no treatment right now. Would hanging a few moving blankets across each corner help at all as temporary treatment?
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The Ghost of FM
Banned
Don't know about corners but I'd try to attack the most reflective areas such as the middle of the walls and one or two on the floor if there's no carpeting.
How many moving blankets do you have?
If you don't have any, I'm sure others will come on here to advise you to take a more serious route.
Also pay attention to how you set up the speakers and your monitoring position in the room. Test it out with a few CD's of music that you're very familiar with and experiment moving shit around until it sounds acceptable. Otherwise, your mixes could come out with some serious EQ anomalies if you mix it to sound good in that room and no where else.
Cheers!
How many moving blankets do you have?
If you don't have any, I'm sure others will come on here to advise you to take a more serious route.
Also pay attention to how you set up the speakers and your monitoring position in the room. Test it out with a few CD's of music that you're very familiar with and experiment moving shit around until it sounds acceptable. Otherwise, your mixes could come out with some serious EQ anomalies if you mix it to sound good in that room and no where else.
Cheers!
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12milluz
New member
I was given 5 of them for free and they are really thick and heavy. Thanks for the advice.
recordman
New member
I've got them in my temporary control room. Really cheap and effective absorbtion. There is a trick though. You need to hang them away from the wall as far as you can..I have mine hanging from the ceiling with anchors atleast 8 inches away from the wall. If you put them right on the wall it will be as useless as acoustic foam.
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The Ghost of FM
Banned
5 might do decently if the room's not too big.
How large is the room? Where are the windows and door and closet, if applicable?
Can you post a picture or a drawing of the room layout with some dimensions?
Cheers!
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12milluz
New member
I cannot get exact dimensions right now but I think the long side was about 14 feet (to the closets) and the short side was about half that. It is a basement room so the window is up top and very small. Also, both doorways are french doors. (drawing is really not to scale and is very rough- I'll try to work something better tomorrow.) Thanks guys!
recordman
New member
Heres what I would do....blue is your desk...red are the blankets. I would put the rest on the ceiling with a emphasis directly over the mix position,, have fun
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12milluz
New member
The arrows are in the direction of the sound from the monitors, correct?
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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
Looks like recordman has left for the evening 12. so yes the arrows look to be pointing in the direction that the music would be coming from your monitors and traveling through the air.
recordman
New member
Yes, what I put in the picture is similar to my temp. setup at my project studio with moving blankets. It works well...
Here's a pic from a session of my back wall you can see the blanket. I have it at an angle from the couch. I also have some 703 panels sitting in it
Opivy
Nova Police
hah, I'm gonna have to make a thread like this soon too =0 - Wasn't going to but looks like there's nice people willing to help =).
Let's just hope I can draw in MS paint... I've always lacked that ability.
Let's just hope I can draw in MS paint... I've always lacked that ability.
Dogbreath
Im an ex-spurt
Maybe I'm just not gettin it but I don't see where a moving blanket could work as a bass trap.
Maybe if ya rolled it up and stood it up in the corners?
I dunno.
I can see em taming the reflections so the waves aren't bouncing around all over but bass waves are a lot stronger than what a blanket can handle.
Am I missing something?
Supercreep
Lizard People
...............No.
It will work on HF, though.
It will work on HF, though.
Dogbreath
Im an ex-spurt
ahh...what about rollin em up and standing em in corners? Would that work? Kinda?
Just wondering, not only for the OP's scenario but my own curiosity. I've seen those bass traps that look like cylinders. At least I think they're bass traps.
recordman
New member
Heres some shots of my use of moving blankets in my project studio....
Doesn't help the bass response of the room (not intended to) so the bass is still crap BUT tames the room very well making it plenty usable at the mix position in the middle of the room.
I've got a some 703 resting on the blankets as well..
Doesn't help the bass response of the room (not intended to) so the bass is still crap BUT tames the room very well making it plenty usable at the mix position in the middle of the room.
I've got a some 703 resting on the blankets as well..
Opivy
Nova Police
that looks way crafty Recordman! I'm in a huge room now, so I'm gonna do something like this =) thanks for the idea.
Kingofpain678
Returned from the dead
I'd bang that chick in the picture
Seriously though... What hasn't been explained is that rigidity (stiffness) and mass play a big role in how sound treatment is going to work. Generally Ownes corning 703/705 or similar is used in bass traps because of their ability to dampen low frequencies... These blankets you are using will dampen upper mids and the higher frequencies but this will give you a false representation of what you should be hearing because the lower bass frequencies will still be running rampant... Basically what will happen is the upper mids and higher frequencies will be dampened which is going to make it seem like your bass frequencies have been emphasized. Your mix won't have enough bass and too much mids and highs.
Room size, position of treatment, monitors, and even the shape of your room also play as factors in frequency response. If you can learn to compensate for the hills and valleys in the frequencies in your mixing room you can get by...
Best of luck bud!
recordman
New member
I'd bang that chick in the picture
Seriously though... What hasn't been explained is that rigidity (stiffness) and mass play a big role in how sound treatment is going to work. Generally Ownes corning 703/705 or similar is used in bass traps because of their ability to dampen low frequencies... These blankets you are using will dampen upper mids and the higher frequencies but this will give you a false representation of what you should be hearing because the lower bass frequencies will still be running rampant... Basically what will happen is the upper mids and higher frequencies will be dampened which is going to make it seem like your bass frequencies have been emphasized. Your mix won't have enough bass and too much mids and highs.
Room size, position of treatment, monitors, and even the shape of your room also play as factors in frequency response. If you can learn to compensate for the hills and valleys in the frequencies in your mixing room you can get by...
Best of luck bud!
You are close to being right but I have to say you're wrong. If you put the blankets directly ON the walls then you are 100% right, but if you hang them atleast 6 inches away from the walls they dampen into the midbass region very well. I can tell with my ears, if I go up to one of my blankets while I have music playing and push it closer towards the wall I can hear the reflection become louder and louder and it's almost like a sweeping low pass effect. When I push the blanket directly on the wall it's not dampening shit. But put it back 8 inches off the wall like I have them set up and it's very effective.
I know what you are saying though, I've been in a room where someone had blankets directly over every wall and it sounded horrid. It sounded just like a studio covered in acoustic foam. All it does is kill the highs and leaves the bass, midbass and mids really muddy. Take my word for it though it's important to get the blanket away from the wall as far as possible (I hang mine from the ceiling just draping) and they work very well in a temporary setup or in a pinch.
Dogbreath
Im an ex-spurt
And the OP DID bring up temporary.
And I can see where your (recordman) set up with the blankets and 703 would help but I don't see much in the corners where the bass buildup is at it's worst.
I'd imagine the you could still learn the room, monitors IN that room and all its idiosyncrasies but it seems easier to just trap the corners.
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Weasel9992
New member
Since you have insulation material behind it, my guess is that you'd be good down to around 250Hz or so, which is pretty good for a thrown-together, temporary setup. You're going to need to do a whole lot more work below 150Hz though, and that's going to take something thicker...4"-6" plus 4"-6" of airspace, superchunks or corner traps and so on.
Just to be very clear: standard moving blankets without any fortifying insulation will work well above 800Hz or so, and will do exactly NOTHING below that. Furthermore they will have absolutely no effect whatsoever in terms of isolating one space from an adjacent space. Then again, neither will a bass trap of any kind, no matter what the thickness or density. Unless it's a bass trap made out of a stud wall assembly, two 5/8" layers of Green Glue, iso clips and insulation...
Frank