More 'Bounce to tracks' and 'Export' weirdness

[mixsit]

Here it comes again...
The project has three-songs, running 20 tracks. The tracks are inported from an ADAT session 48k, so they will go out A/D-D/A to get to CD land, so all is not desperate, but still...

I mix them, send the mix to a new track (for convenience and for comparison; the 'real' mix will go out the 2-buss real-time to DAT).
Songs 1 and 2 sound fine. Then, on song 3, track 9 in missing in the 'bounce', every time.
Track 10, which is not used in this song, has envelope down, and was not included in the bounce. Thought that was a clue. Made it active, included it, nada.
Tried;
Re-booting
Save-as new project name
Save-as bun, re-open and bounce, (at least the bun worked )
Not checking ''Mute-Solo automation" box
Trade track's order #
Copied track to new track...see, did I leave anything out? ...a bunch of Barbados Rum...
None of this worked.
Oh yea. EXPORTING does the same thing.

Does anyone have any suggestions, somthing else I can try?

Just when I was starting to trust this system again...
If it had been a more subtle track, how easy it would have been NOT to catch something like this popping up.
And we were talking earlier about 'exports' not sounding quit right...
Wayne

 

[dachay2tnr]

My first guess would be that you have the track archived.

My second guess would be that you have the track routed to a different VMain than the other tracks.

 

[mixsit]

It's active and fine in normal mix playback. I checked v-main assignment, but didn't try re-assigning to a new main and including that one. The only other v-mains in use are for effects sends and the effects are printed, so they're not in the bounce however.
Good idea though since I guess at this point I'm looking to jog this thing, somehow.
Wayne

 

[mixsit]

Dachay2tnr, was it you and sounusman(?) that were trying to track down some export sonic issues a while back?
Anything come of that?
Thanks
Wayne

 

[dachay2tnr]

Actually I'm from the camp that thinks this stuff is almost always attributable to operator error. No offense meant, since I include myself here also.

However, I do recall that Sonusman felt there might be some (non-operator induced) glitches with Sonar mixdown.

I've yet to find any myself. Where I have had problems, it was always of my own doing.

 

[mixsit]

I 'hear' that.
Thanks.
wayne

 

[acidrock]

Do you have all the boxes checked in the "bounce to track(s)" dialog box?

 

[mixsit]

Do you have all the boxes checked in the "bounce to track(s)" dialog box?

Yes except when i tried unchecking the 'Mute/solo' box -I thought maybe it 'thought' it was supposed to be muted.

I went back and tried assigning track 9 to it's own v-main, included it in the bounce -still nothing. Understand that this same track worked fine on the two previous songs in the same project.
Also, on another two song project from the same gig (different part of the same live set) everytihng seems fine so far.

I had made a b/u safety copy of this track when I had to edit out a bad solo -this was on mix 2, befor getting to the problem one.
Does that raise any 'bug flags' for anybody?
Thanks all.
Wayne

 

[dachay2tnr]

If I understand you correctly, there are 3 songs contained in a single project? So track 9 runs the entire length of 3 songs, but it only drops out on the 3rd song?

However, when you play the project you hear the track for all 3 songs?

Rather strange.

Tell us how you are selecting things for the bounce. It sounds like maybe this track is not being picked up in the items you are selcting to export or bounce.

 

[mixsit]

The tracks do have start-stop breaks between the songs, so they are actually new 'clips' starting for each song. And yes, they 'play back' just fine. I finish a song, then print that mix, this one is the third one in this project.

I select accross the time line on the top, the portions of the track I want. Then I Ctrl-Left click all the track numbers so they and the clips are high-lighted.

-I can play, and will be recording the 2-buss main-out for the 'final' version, so I'm not really going to be out anything -on this project. But If 'Export' (it's happening on export also)and 'Bounce' are not reliable....
Hopefully it will turn out to pilot error.
Wayne

Hey. Check it out. I got my registration back. Cool.



ACKUS Registered
Mem. # u571-007
2003.2.2

 

[dachay2tnr]

You might try "uncovering" the clip to see if maybe you have another clip underneath that is somehow causing the problem.

Grab one end of the clip with your mouse until the cursor tuns into rectangle with a double sided arrow. Then drag that edge all the way to the other end of the clip. Go back and look at the track (which sould be empty) and see if maybe there was another clip hidden underneath. I've had this happen, and if there is an envelope or something on the other clip, it could be the cauise of the problem.

BTW, I'm still banking on pilot error - but this one is hidden pretty well.

 

[mixsit]

Hey, great idea. I was thinking at one point, could I have an out of phase version mixing in...
Thanks. I'll try it tonight.
Wayne

 

[mixsit]

Success!
Tried the slip edit -all clear under there. Went to a b/u saved version of the project, and found the answer in a Gain envelope on the track, which when deleted, solved it.

I was wrong about this song being on a sperate set of clips.(Some were transfered from the ADAT in seperate chunks, this one was the second of a pair that came in one pass.)
This turned out to be the clue, as right there was the previous song's 2-mix track that came out fine.
I could click on the whole track-clip, and 'bounce' it, but if I grabbed any portion on the clip that didn't include the begining of the first song, it wouldn't!
At the begining was a 'gain' envelope I had used to trim-fade the guitar intro up. It was messed up. -had a dotted line in the center of the track that read -inf. (I dragged it down a bit to make it solid, but only after deleting it would the track 'bounce' correctly.

I am using gain and volume envelopes in these projects, but this problem may have come from my use of mix templates. -The dotted envelope lines are left over from tracks that have had audio deleted, then saved as blank 'pre-mixed' templates and reloaded with the next set of songs.

...I don't know what's what really happened, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Damn. I'm lucky they don't pull my ACKUS cert. over this one.

 

[dachay2tnr]

Glad to hear you got it resolved. It has again restored my faith that, for the most part, software only does what you tell it to do. Therefore you gotta be careful about what you tell it to do.