Moar Fuk Pleez

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Greg_L said:
That's truly awful.

Stop worrying about loudness and how many plug-ins you can use and do worry about making a better mix. This is harsh and one-dimensional. You can't compete with professional mastering done by professional mastering engineers, so don't try. It just sounds bad. A good mix that's a little "quieter" than modern CD's will sound much better. A limiter is just a heavy duty compressor. Learn what these effects do and why before you go slamming your mixes throuigh them.
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I tried telling him the same thing in another thread in the MASTERING forum.

THE MIX ISN'T READY FOR MASTERING.

Instead of going on and on about "backwards compression" and "parallel blah blah blah", you should worry about getting your mixes right. It's really that simple, as much as you wish it wasn't.

All the tricks and texhniques in the world aren't going to help a mix that isn't ready for mastering. It's the plain truth.

At this point, your so-called "mastering" is making things worse.....because THE MIX ISN'T READY FOR MASTERING.
 
FTR, RAMI, gerg told me earlier to never bounce down through a compressor or limiter on the stereo bus. He must have some special voodoo to get it loud.

This place strikes me as a bit long on criticism and short on guidance.
 
tonesponge said:
FTR, RAMI, gerg told me earlier to never bounce down through a compressor or limiter on the stereo bus. He must have some special voodoo to get it loud.

This place strikes me as a bit long on criticism and short on guidance.
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I don't recall telling you that, but if I did, I must have had a good reason and/or you took it out of context. You do have to pass the mix through some kind of compression/limiter to get it loud. Your problem is that you worry too much about loudness and not enough about making a good mix. I read some of your posts. The shit you do to your stereo mix is freaking retarded, and then you tell others to do the same. The proof is in the pudding. Listen to your finished mixes. I have. They're harsh and compressed into one dimension. Maybe your ears aren't developed enough to hear it, or maybe your monitoring sytem is lying to you, but that's the way it is. I'm not trying to beat you down or be a dick. I'm telling you the truth. Others have said the same thing. If a mix aint ready to be "mastered", then it's only gonna get worse when you try to "master" it.

Put up a mix that you haven't squashed to death or enhanced on the master bus and let's see how it sounds.
 
I would but the site is blocking uploads due to size right now. It's hit and miss.
 
There is no magic in a commercial mix, its simple logic. The better the source= the louder it can be pushed. This is true through out the entire process. If the source is dirty or grossly unballanced, the next stage wont improve it. "Fixing techniques" are something studios use because of time limitation. The beauty with home recording is that you have all the time in the world to get it right, or as close as you possibly can. Focus on the source(s)
 
I depends on how you react to criticism that determins whether it is negative or "guidance".
"This place strikes me as a bit long on criticism and short on guidance." The alternative is to go back to friends and family for their appraisal. It also suggests you don't actually want to be told.
Greg gave you an honest comment & a way forward - constructive criticism that's not couched in a sugar coating: that's Greg's way. I suggested a few things too.
Read through the crit.s & there are some commonalities; chief amongst them the reduction of the song to a platform for loudness rather than an example of a good mix of a song.
Your second posted mix was, hands down, much better than your 1st so you must be reading AND using your ears. If criticism has achieved that much then it was worth while.
Pop the new mix, UNMASTERED, on hotfile or somewhere, do it at 320 so we can hear it at reasonable quality & also that will eliminate heavy L.A.M.E. compression from the list of problems/excuses.
On the "finishing" or "mastering" end of things I've only claimed that 2 of my songs have been "mastered" because there've only been two that've been REALLY complete mixes and even then the "mastering" dealt with excess mudd or too much high end through EQing and only moderate amounts of volume were added. The Vol was able to be added because I kept the mixes reasonable quiet - I left headroom for the "mastering" process.
 
tonesponge said:
That's never stopped you before. It's actually ironic coming from you.
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I really was just trying to be nice. But Okay then....

The guitars are sloppy, fizzy and cheap sounding in the high end, muddy in the bottom. The playing is poor. Timing flubs and what seems like bad edits pop up occasionally. The acoustic section isn't bad, but it still lacks life. It's directionless, wanky, and a bore to listen to. Congrats on not squashing a bad mix.

Is that what you wanted?

In the future, if you wanna call me out, just do it out loud. I'm a big boy. I can handle it. If you think you can put me in my place, go for it like a man. All this hidden agenda and hurt feelings on your end is childish and weak.
 
Greg_L said:
I really was just trying to be nice. But Okay then....

The guitars are sloppy, fizzy and cheap sounding in the high end, muddy in the bottom. The playing is poor. Timing flubs and what seems like bad edits pop up occasionally. The acoustic section isn't bad, but it still lacks life. It's directionless, wanky, and a bore to listen to. Congrats on not squashing a bad mix.

Is that what you wanted?

In the future, if you wanna call me out, just do it out loud. I'm a big boy. I can handle it. If you think you can put me in my place, go for it like a man. All this hidden agenda and hurt feelings on your end is childish and weak.
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Thanks for the feedback. Negative attention is better than no attention. Keep it coming :P

I keep picturing you with your face all scrunched up trying to be nice and then you get a hernia. lol
 
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