Mixing with standalone cd burners?

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Hi everyone,
I have a Tascam 424MkII, and I am in the market for a used (Standalone) cd burner to do my mixes with-- can anyone recommend and descent standalone cd (consumer) recorder that would work-- I really don't want to buy new, so, I will be trolling eBay for a unit--

If a consumer model is not the way to go-- then what pro standalone model would you suggest-- keeping in mind that budget is definitely a factor. . .

Thanks in advance,
 
I use a Pioneer stand-alone myself.

I like it because of the quality of the A/D converters. They're first rate in every sense and sound better then many high end DAT decks at several times the price.

I have an older one called the PDR-777 which retailed around 500 bucks when it was new a few years back. The current models should be significantly less expensive and sound very close in quality to mine.

Cheers! :)
 
Consumer standalone cd burners?

Thanks for the input guys, . .it really helps. But, what's the deal about the consumer cd burners limiting the amount of burns, . .(something about copyright crap) or having to use expensive cd disks on the consumer models is that mostly the newer models, or am I totally off base?

I plan to try and pick up a used standalone cd burner anyway. But, I was just curious? Thanks again everyone for your help!
 
studiodrum said:
Thanks for the input guys, . .it really helps. But, what's the deal about the consumer cd burners limiting the amount of burns, . .(something about copyright crap) or having to use expensive cd disks on the consumer models is that mostly the newer models, or am I totally off base?

I plan to try and pick up a used standalone cd burner anyway. But, I was just curious? Thanks again everyone for your help!
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Consumer CD recorders do use the Serial Copy Management System or, "SCMS" for short on the digital inputs only!

When you use the analog inputs, the disk you make can be digitally copied to your heart's content afterward.

Consumer machine CD recorders use special "CD-R Music" disks because they assume that you are copying copyrighted material like store bought CDs and as such, those special disks have a small bit of digital data encrypted onto the disk that tells the machine that your disks have the copyright privilege fee paid.

Professional CD recorders don't have this limitation because pro machines are assumed to be used for creating original legally un-protected works and performances.

I don't state to agree with this revenue generating scheme but that's how it works, none the less.

CD-R music disks are much less expensive these days compared to a few short years ago. The early ones cost nearly 20 bucks per disk! The last ones I bought at Office Depot were 75 cents a piece with case so, it's not the big ugly issue it used to be.

Professional CD recorders traditionally are much more expensive to purchase compared to their consumer versions so what ever saving you got by purchasing and being able to use CD-R data discs is quickly disappearing as a benefit feature.

As alway, the choice is up to you. ;)

Cheers! :)
 
for the record

phillips cdr $150.00 at the most
alesis cd mastering deck...$1,000.00

learn to live with the copy protection!!!!
 
TDK dual deck. It serves me well. However the real pain in the SCMasS that you get to make a copy of a copy, and then everything must be done in REAL TIME. Your 20 minute Demo will take 20 minutes to burn +another minute or so to finalize. I did'nt have a computer or $400.00 for a bottom of the line tascam at the time so I don't regret the purchase, but it is a pain in the ass. If you have an alternative, use it. If you don't , you'll be happy to have at least something halfway decent to mix down onto. Better than cassette to cassette at any rate. Ahhhhhh fuck it, go ahead and buy one have some fun.
 
Hey guys,

While I do understand the need to save some money here, what Ghost said (and others) about the 'consumer' decks is the main reason I use a Tascam CD-RW402. Although we are only a private studio at the moment, duplication and being able to use various media applications as well as putting that remote on top of my guitar amp, keyboard etc. to get down some quick ideas (practice tapes if you will) has made this deck my favorite box in the studio. Yeah, it was not cheap but being a 'professional' deck, I simply don't have the issues that come with 'consumer' decks. Since stand alones don't seem to be as popular as internal PC types you may be able to find one used at a good price!

Glenn
 
The Ghost of FM said:
When you use the analog inputs, the disk you make can be digitally copied to your heart's content afterward....
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Not exactly, though I suppose it depends on exactly what your particular heart's content is.

SCMS puts a label on a digital recording that says one of three things:

- Digital copies ok
- One digital copy ok
- No digital copies

Here's what a digital recorder that complies with SCMS does when it makes a recording, which depends on what original it's recording from:

- Digital original marked "no copies": refuses to make a digital copy (though it might convert the original to analog, and treat it like an analog input)
- Digital original marked "one copy ok": makes a digital copy marked "no copies."
- Digital original marked "copies ok": makes a digital copy marked "copies ok."
- Analog input: makes a digital recording marked "one copy only."

So ... if you mix down to a consumer (SCMS-compliant) CD recorder, you can make as many copies of the disk you mixed down to as you want, but you can't make a digital copy of one of the copies, at least not in your CD recorder.
 
Phillips, or Pioneer cd burners?

Hey guys,
I'm just trying to get a grasp on what's out there, as far as stand alone consumer cd burners, . . I'm thinking about buying a Philips cdr-770 for mixing down and stuff. . .a friend is selling a nice mint one cheap! I really don't want to use my computer to mix, . .

Does anyone have any experience using this model. . .I heard that they can be a little temperamental, . . also how is the playback quality--

Also, how is the Pioneer PDR-555w, I have heard some good things about that unit too? Thanks in advance!
 
The Pioneer 555 was a critically acclaimed deck. I haven't heard much of anything about the Phillips good, bad or indifferent.

Cheers! :)
 
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