mixing ''hands-on'' but having a computer based setup............

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How would i mix songs using a hands on approach?
I'll be using a pc with sonar and a delta 1010 soundcard.

I've tried mixing in sonar using my mouse to control the levels and panning and using effects but i didnt realy like doing it that way.
i'd rather turn some knobs and use the faders.
would it be best for me to use some kind of midi/usb/firewire control surface like the behringer BF2000(for example).

I also want to use outboard gear instead of plugins,so how would i connect my preamps,reverbs ,equalizers, etc .

I just want to set up my mics,plug in and record then once all the music is recorded mix with a hands on approach. like being able to twidle some knobs and be able to use outboard effects.

i cant find any answers on how to do this
thanx for the help.
 
You'd need to run all your output from the DAW into a console. This requires you to have a multiple-track interface on your DAW.

Or maybe a DAW controller console would be better for you.....
 
mynameisscott said:
would it be best for me to use some kind of midi/usb/firewire control surface like the behringer BF2000(for example).

These kinds of things are good solutions, however in my opinion Mackie makes a MUCH better one than the behringer. Granted it comes with a higher pricetag, but the extra features are worth it.

The Behringer has no display for identifying which track is which, while the Mackie and several others do. From experience, trying to use a control surface without a track label display is hell. You have to waste any time you would save by looking up at the screen and clicking around to figure out "ok, channel 3 on the surface is actually my guitar channel. Got it."
 
What you could do with a Delta 1010 and a mixer is to digitally "buss" your tracks out to 8 analog channels, or 4 stereo groups or any combination there of. I used to do it this way years ago when I only had a Gina and a StudioMaster console. This way you can use plug ins along side hardware processors. Very powerful set up and you get the bonus of avoiding digital summing issues.
 
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Track Rat said:
What you could do with a Delta 1010 and a mixer is to digitally "buss" your tracks out to 8 analog channels, or 4 stereo groups or any combination there of. I used to do it this way years ago when I only had a Gina and a StudioMaster console. This way you can use plug ins along side hardware processors. Very powerful set up and you get the bonus of avoiding digital summing issues.


can you please explain what bus is for mixers and what is digital summing
 
I was looking at the mackie controler it looks much better than the behringer .I dont mind about the price.
but how would i connect outboard effects to mix the music?
thanx for the replys
 
mynameisscott said:
I was looking at the mackie controler it looks much better than the behringer .I dont mind about the price.
but how would i connect outboard effects to mix the music?
thanx for the replys

i'll re-phrase that...
what i mean is
1. I'll record all my tracks dry into my daw
2. I'll would set all the levels and panning using the mackie controll and add reverb/compression/eq/etc (using outboard gear) .

The part that i dont know how to do is how to add the effects during mixing using outboard gear.

Hopefully that is more clear
thanx alot.
 
All the Mackie does is control ur software like a mouse. Ur outboard gear will be connected to your 1010.

The Patchbay / Router
In addition to the built-in monitor mixer, the Delta 1010 Digital Recording
System includes an output patchbay/router. The patchbay/router allows each
output (analog or digital) to be connected to a variety of input sources. The
1010’s outputs may accept audio from software sources (these output devices are
visible in your audio software applications) or from hardware sources such as the
analog and digital inputs or the monitor mixer. This capability makes the Delta
1010 quite flexible for WAV output, monitoring, or directly connecting inputs to
outputs for system test purposes.

You can send your signal to the reverb unit for example, and bring it back in on an aux track in ur software.
 
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Get a Tascam 428 it works wonders especially if u don't like mousing your mix
 
hookiefree.......ithink i know what you mean but i think i'm wrong.

for example...
If i was going to record drums i would mic up the drumkit , connect the mic leads to an 8 channel pre-amp and set the levels of the preamp. then connect the preamp to the inputs of the delta 1010,and record the drums.

once that is done i would do all the panning and setting the volume levels of each mic track using the mackie controller.
then i say hmmmm this needs some eq and a little reverb.....

would i then connect the outputs of the delta 1010 to my reverb and eq or whatever then connect the outputs of my effects into the input of the delta 1010? would that not mean i would have to record another track(s) .
If i did it that way and i didnt like the way i eq'd it or i though there was too much reverb....would'nt that mean i'd have to do that again but change the setting on my eq/reverb and record another track. that would be along mixing procces if i were to do it that way...

i'm not sure if i'm right can anyone help please.
thanx ALOT!
 
mad flows said:
can you please explain what bus is for mixers and what is digital summing

No wonder you are having trouble.... jeeze... :eek:
 
mynameisscott said:
hookiefree.......ithink i know what you mean but i think i'm wrong.

for example...
If i was going to record drums i would mic up the drumkit , connect the mic leads to an 8 channel pre-amp and set the levels of the preamp. then connect the preamp to the inputs of the delta 1010,and record the drums.

once that is done i would do all the panning and setting the volume levels of each mic track using the mackie controller.
then i say hmmmm this needs some eq and a little reverb.....

would i then connect the outputs of the delta 1010 to my reverb and eq or whatever then connect the outputs of my effects into the input of the delta 1010? would that not mean i would have to record another track(s) .
If i did it that way and i didnt like the way i eq'd it or i though there was too much reverb....would'nt that mean i'd have to do that again but change the setting on my eq/reverb and record another track. that would be along mixing procces if i were to do it that way...

i'm not sure if i'm right can anyone help please.
thanx ALOT!

Yup that's pretty much it. You can play it with the reverb settings before you record it though. You might be a lot happier with a UAD-1 or Powercore card and just using plugins. Is there a reason why you definately wanted to go outboard?
 
i wanted to go outboard because i'd rather have all the outboard stuff at my fingertips, i like the more hands on approach and theres so many plugins that i dont even know what to chose from but i'd probably use mostly outboard effects and a couple of plugins
 
mynameisscott said:
i wanted to go outboard because i'd rather have all the outboard stuff at my fingertips, i like the more hands on approach and theres so many plugins that i dont even know what to chose from but i'd probably use mostly outboard effects and a couple of plugins

I feel u. Not sure but the BF2000 can probably control your plugs too.
 
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