Mixer outputs

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Could I use an insert send as a direct out? I'm looking at getting a Peavey PV14 mixer (non-USB), and want to record each track separately, but it doesn't seem to have direct outs - is it possible?
 
yes, but bear in mind, that most inserts are pre eq and pre fader.
 
JCM900 said:
yes, but bear in mind, that most inserts are pre eq and pre fader.
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Very true but I see this as a VERY good thing. Just the trim controls the level going to the recorder and the EQ/Fader can still be used (along with any effects patched into the mixer AUX sends/returns) for monitoring. What goes to "tape" is not affected by any EQ/Fader moves during tracking.
 
Ahh....

Ahhh yes! BUT - If you use a direct out, doesn't it need to come back to hear it through the board???

So if you use a direct out - it removes the signal from within the mixer path... therefore, no sound...

Thoughts????
 
That what I was worried about.
Pre-fader/EQ is not a problem, I record flat and dry anyway, all my EQ and effects go on afterwards.
Would there be any way to split the signal and take one out to the soundcard, then bring the other back to the desk for monitoring? 'Cause my desk channel can't record from the mic and playback from tape at the same time (obviously)...
 
How many channels can your soundcard record at once?
 
M-Audio Delta 1010LT, 8 audio I/O - don't understand why that's important in terms of whether I can use inserts as direct outs though....
 
Riverdog said:
Ahhh yes! BUT - If you use a direct out, doesn't it need to come back to hear it through the board???

So if you use a direct out - it removes the signal from within the mixer path... therefore, no sound...

Thoughts????
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Not if one is more clever than the board, Weedhopper. The send would be unbalanced any ways, so what you do is to modify an unbalanced cable by soldering a stereo type connector at one end with the pin and ring soldered together. This way when you seat the plug in the insert, you'rer just tapping off signal for the multitrack and the signal will also continue through the channel strip as it normally would. You can control the level in a monitor mix (and EQ) without affecting what's headed to tape.
 
Track Rat said:
Not if one is more clever than the board, Weedhopper. The send would be unbalanced any ways, so what you do is to modify an unbalanced cable by soldering a stereo type connector at one end with the pin and ring soldered together. This way when you seat the plug in the insert, you'rer just tapping off signal for the multitrack and the signal will also continue through the channel strip as it normally would. You can control the level in a monitor mix (and EQ) without affecting what's headed to tape.
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I do something akin to that. I have the channel inserts of my Mackie 1604 connected to half-normalled points on one of my patchbays. Instant access without interrupting to the main outs.
 
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So you're talking about shorting out a cable - am I beginning to catch on? Otherwise I'm lost lol
 
No, not shorting the cable, just tieing the center conductor of un unbalnced cable to the ring and tip of a stereo "type" 1/4" connector. The shield still goes to shield and does NOT short to anything. Inside the mixer, the insert is on a stereo type connection with the tip being the send and the ring being receive. When you tie the tip and ring together on the cable I'm talking about, when you plug this cable into the insert, you're maintaining the internal path of the insert. You just tap off signal, not intercept the whole thing.
 
Got this from the manual of the Carvin C2444 concert series mixer my church uses:

The “half” insert connection creates a send signal without breaking the channels signal path. The insert in this mode is no longer used as an insert but it becomes what is called an “insert direct out”. An insert direct out functions as a normal direct out but the plug has to be half inserted. If an insert is needed on the same channel, special cabling is required to perform both functions. The half insertion connects the tip of the plug being inserted to the ring of the jack. If the jack is fully inserted to where the tip
of the plug connects to the tip of the jack, the internal jack switch will open and the
channel’s signal path will be broken. The connection will still function as a direct out but the channel’s signal will stop at the insert and not continue on to the rest
of the channel. The result of the half insert is multiple outputs for use in multi-track recording.
 
Here is the diagram of what the manual was referring to:
 
The "first click" connection will work but I've had them be intermittent before. With the modified cable, you can fully seat the plug and the connection is pretty solid then.
 
Track Rat said:
The "first click" connection will work but I've had them be intermittent before. With the modified cable, you can fully seat the plug and the connection is pretty solid then.
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I haven't tried it myself on this mixer, but I've seen this recommended before, so I thought I'd chime in. This will work well enough if you are not skilled enough to modify the plug... :rolleyes:
 
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