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People, people, people...

We have all overlooked the great producer/engineer Max Norman. My two favs of his - Ozzy Osbourne "Blizzard of Oz" and Megadeth "Youthanasia" - all I can say is TONE TONE TONE.

Paul
 
Joe Barressi engineered WEEZER's Pinkerton album. It is very raw, but beautifully recorded. Very natural yet ethereal at times. yeah
 
You gotta be shittin' me!!!
No one here has heard Mr. Bungle ??? It is my opinion that no one should attempt to mix an album untill you have heard all 3 of theirs...
Stop what you are doing and get their first album "Mr. Bungle" and then work your way up to their newest..."California"
These guys are low-rent do-it yourselfers (with the exception of Mike Patton) and can flawlessly mix metal, jazz, funk, be-bop, noise, punk, and any other form of music I might have left out ( sometimes within a single song...)
Jazz God, John Zorn produced their first album and it is hard to beat, although thier other two albums are just as hard to put down...
Find their shit... if you don't love it... then I'm just WRONG... and I'll blow ya...

-Not really...
S8-N
 
Oh yeah,
Cooperman... Blizzard of oz...Fargin' awesome!!!
Megadeth??? I'll pass...


-S8-N
 
Cooperman,

I was torn between Criptic Writings and Youthanasia, both were well produced. Although Criptic Writings was not as heavy, it's drums is what gave that project an edge over the other.

Jim Marquard,

Lovewar is a Christian band.
 
I think Youthanasia has a far superior guitar tone to CW. Infact in my opinion that album has the best guitar sound I've ever heard in my life - check out Addicted to Chaos and Killing Road - turn it up real loud and it'll make the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end.

My fav live recording would be Ozzy's Live and Loud - the guitar tone is so thick and yet when Zakk is soloing and there's just bass playing underneath, the sound is still really upfront and in ya face - unlike other 1 guitar bands

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That Mr. Bungle is certainly tasty shit!
WB 1991? Trevor Dunn, Heifetz, Mike Patton,
David Shea, Jennifer, Lisa Wells, Theobald Brooks Lengyel.
David Bryson: Engineer;
Bob Ludwig: Mastering;
Matt Murman: Assistant Engineer

Just bought their album via CD-NOW. Thanks S8-N.
Is this the mix/ tone/ ambience you're looking for? I thought that YOUR mixes were more "in your face." It really comes down to what the Prince of Darkness <wants> on the final mix.
 
Oh crap, am I the only person here who hates Boston? They were the pinnacle of garbage love rock just above "oh sherry" Steve Perry! hit me...HIT ME SLAM ME I know you want to! :)

Anyway, I know we're talking about mix quality here and not the music itself.

I would have to nominate Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" album. I really can't think of another album with such a full and rich sound. Again, another mid-70's album. Of course there are a boatload of other albums that I think sound great, but not with SO much going on in the music.

Slackmaster 2000
 
Slackman - Boston put their first 2 albums out long before Steve Perry went solo. That is not even a fair comparison.

Remember, Boston's first album was released in 1976!!! When compared to recordings done today, it holds up quite well. When compared to recordings of it time, well, it was way ahead of it's time. Tom Scholtz defined a lot of what was to come in production techniques.

I would agree that Boston's last two albums, Third Stage, and whatever that piece of junk they did a couple of years ago, were a little too bubble gum for me. But man, they just had some kick ass tunes on albums 1 and 2. Maybe you should go back and listen to them.

In fact, as punishment for comparing them to Steve Perry's solo stuff, maybe you should have to listen to Debbie Gibson CD's for a whole day. S8-N, oh darkness of the world, can you make this so??? Answer out call for revenge against the Boston hater. Fill his heart with the "I think I'm alone Now" chorus for enternity!!! Answer our call oh evil one. Answer our call.

:)
Ed
 
Hey now, you have to remember that Debbie Gibson's "I Think We're Alone Now" was recorded back in 1986 and still holds up to the likes of modern-day pop records released by N-Sync and Backstreet Boys. Of course, after that record she went downhill and her last comeback effort a few years back involving pseudo-Rock wasn't very good.

Oh well, I asked for it. I tried to listen to Boston...I really did. But I can't get over "More Than a Feeling". Man, there's nothing worse than mustache rock.

You say "1976" like it was a great year for rock...when in fact it was about the point when someone flipped the "Great/Suck" switch and dance music, glam pop, and silly rock started taking over. A year prior had seen some great albums like Aerosmith's "Toys in the Attic" and Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here". What did we get in 1976? Boston. The guitar style that would 10 years later usher in Poison and Warrant and old guys like Kip Winger and Rod Morganstein singing about sex with minors on MTV.

See, I wouldn't be arguing this point if it wasn't a proven fact that Boston was no good. I've spent the past 10 minutes of my life developing the following formula to judge music on a scale of 1 (BAD) to 10 (GOOD):

quality = (10 * (1-(m/n)) - (e/i)) * V - o/r - C

Where n is the number of members in the band, m is the number of band members with mustaches, e is the total number of effects used by the band, i is the total number of instruments played by the band, V is the average variation from the root tone measured in whole steps (taking into consideration each song released by the band), o is the number of total overdubs recorded by the band and r is the number of records released by the band. C is a what I like to call the "Cheesy Factor" and can only be measured by me or someone who agrees with me.

Unfortunately for you, sonusman, that formula puts Boston at about 1.5 on the quality scale. And, in regards to your comments about everybody's favorite loverboy of rock n roll, that's 1/10th of a point below Steve Perry who scored a 1.6 (no mustache). Science. What can you do?

Slackmaster 2000
 
Okay, Smackasser, you are entitled to your opinion. Did the doctor tell you that your hearing will improve, or is the problem irreversible?
 
Well Slackman (I just love that blues nickname for some reason), being the more technical type that I am, I guess that it would be hard to argue with science. In any case, I can fathom the relationship between a mustache and the ability to write songs for an album that is multi-platinum, and sonically blew just about anything away in it's time. Possibly, the protein needed to grow the facial hair deprived their brains of much needed energy to pursue drugs!!! Something of which those other bands you mentioned were very well into....eh? And of course we know how drugs make you better at everything...... :)

Anyway, your formula seems to lack one element to it that can drastically change the total. At the end, you need a X BD = with X being of course multiply, and BD being Big Dong, something of which Steve Perry must have certainly lacked, and the Boston boys must have had a surplus of. LOL

Anyway, being possibly the only guy in the world that really does not care to listen to Pink Floyd, I can certainly understand disliking any certain band.

Oh by the way, Boston's production ruled all over anything Areosmith did. At that time, Pink Floyd could have possibly been the only other rock band that had procution that rivaled Boston's. Also, I believe it was 1982 when the suck switch was pulled in music. The late 70's I believe was when rock music reached about as good as it would get, technically speaking.

This is fun!!!

Ed
 
Damn, some of you have WWAAYYY to much time! Although not one of my favorite bands I think the sounds on Extreme III are incredible. Very clear.
 
sonusman:

The comment you made about Boston's albums being multi-platinum....well, that really made me think for a minute. So I did some research.

As it turns out, in 1976 approximately 72% of the male population in the US between the ages of 19 and 35 wore mustaches, and didn't shave them off until ~1985. And I'm not talking the little mustaches like you see today, I'm talking about John Oates sized mustaches (that is, John Oats of Hall and Oats...or Haulin' Oats as I called them...who was last seen riding a 10-speed down main street in Missoula Montana circa 1987). Anyway, that would account for the millions of Boston albums that sold durning the late 70s and early 80s.

Now, another thing that you probably don't know is that during the late 70's the United States Government, in reaction to the persistance of the Cold War, was doing a lot of radioactivity testing on its young male citizens. Did you use a phone booth in the late 70's? If so, you probably noticed that your facial hair seemed to grow at radical rates. Not only was the effect on our appearance altered, but our ability to process music was degraded substantially. This effect stuck with most men until around 1987-1993 when a generation of young simplistic rockers hailing primarily out of Seattle, Washington began to drive rock back into its primitave, and most effective state.

"What about those bands from the early 70s who continued to make great music into the 80s? Why weren't they traumatized?"

Oh they were, but their brains were already set in regards to music. However, their hair was not immune. Often times Greg Allman would be seen running from mobs of werewolf hunters in the Southern US during the late 70's. And then there's ZZ Top...it's not hard to see the horrific impact of our Government's inhumane actions if you look closely enough. Sad really.

Hope this helps. Stay away from Rogaine.

Slackman
 
I think you are on to something here Slackman, but if liking Boston albums is the worst side effect of the governments ploy's to sell razors, then I hope the radiation tests in phone booths continue.

By the way. Has anyone noticed how Ted Nugent albums just don't sound all that great anymore. The music still rocks, but there had to have been some of the most cheesy sounds on those disks I have ever heard.

Oh Slackman, I forgot to say that by adding my extention to your formula, Boston would have scored a 7.5 So really, your formula really is quite close in accuracy, with the added X BD that was omitted in it's original, flawed version. I would have given that disk a 9, unscientifically, but if science says Boston 1 is a 7.5, well, I can live with it.

Also, with that extention, if you are dealing with females in the band, instead of multiplying, you have to devide, with the exception of Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart. There, you can still use the X in the equation. This is only fair because Nancy plays guitar better than most guys do, and Ann has balls, so she may even have a dong.

There is a male exception to the X rule though, and that is Steve Perry. It is rumored that he is female, so you must devide the problem when he is involved. :) Even if the rumor proves to be false (could be tough to prove as no females are coming forward with testimony, probably a Payola deal here)the simple fact that he sounds so girly holds him to the devide rule. So that actually puts him at a O. Just about right I think.

Maybe we do have too much time on our hands here.......LOL

Ed
 
You may be right, sonusman, but then I've never taken the time to really look at the genitals of any male rock stars. Maybe it's time to shake these preconceptions and give it a whirl! ...or not.

And as far as women factor into the equation, there is evidence of females being subjected to radioactivity experiments as far back as the early 70s. Take a listen to Frank Zappa's 1971 Live at the Fillmore East and you'll know what I mean.

Also, did you notice how the overall pitch of lead singers in rock bands towards the late 70s went up a couple octaves? Women. Big, hairy, mustached women. Freaky eh?

Slackmaster 2000
 
Still can't find my Pat Travers - it's a huge void in my life now. I did listen to some cuts from Boston, Heart, Kate B., and an old George Duke that is really crisp. I think my stylus might just outlive me. Ed, did Pat Travers have a mustache? I'm trying to work through this formula.
 
Who would of thought that Boston, Megadeth, Mr Bungle, Frank Zappa and Debbie Gibson could all be mentioned in one thread.

Paul
 
He did not ever have one as far as I know.

I only added Pat Travers as a live disk. His studio stuff was mostly mediocre. Kind of like Judas Priest's studio stuff up until Screaming For Vengence. Both these bands did great live albums, but had pretty lame production in the studio. Go and figure.

Hope you find your PT live disk.

I am done on here, no more posts from me on this.

Ed
 
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