Mix/general comments on Heavy song

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This is the last song I recorded before all the new room treatments went in. New monitors are on the way as well. This is about as good as I could get with my crappy room and crappy monitors. It should only get better from here on out.


Song is called RUN
 
Really good full sound. Maybe a little more rhythm guitars. The ride cymbal is almost too quiet.
 
Cool, I thought the guitars needed to come up a hair too. The reason the ride is sort of buried is because the overheads have the crappy room syndrome. That is gonna change though due to mass quantities of rigid fiberglas. A retracking may be in order.


Thanks for the listen Chris
 
Yeh nice guitars and vocals. Only thing that didn't fit for me was the guitar behind the vocal during the chorus. Otherwise good song, good sounds, nice job
 
Zack Wylde feel.


The guitars sound nice. Over all the song is good.


The guitars need to come up a bit. The bass is kinda drowning them a bit.
 
You rule. Who's singing? Nice job, whoever it is.

Now, on extreme bass-boost settings, the kick and bass sound pretty good, but the overall mix loses more clarity than you want, I think. Not that this is supposed to be played with a HipHop EQ, but it's just a way to for me to check how well it transfers to other systems. If I were jacking around with this, I'd try to roll some lows off of the rhythm gits and vocals and turn the guitars up just a bit.

Be good.
Chris

[edit] I remember a previous mix of yours (whatever you posted before the AC/DC sound check song) that was kinda' bass heavy...I know you got a new console, but are you mixing in the same room? Just curious...it's not nearly as bass heavy as the tune I'm thinking of from several months ago...this is more of a definition isue.
 
Thanks all, for the listen. It's a band I'm playing with at the moment. I'm only on the backups. I did roll off on the guitars, but maybe a little more is in order. I did have a cut on the low end of the vocal track, but it seemed to make it very thin.

There's alot of stuff changing for me. As Chris mentioned, I got the new console. Which rocks by the way. I put up a pile of rigid fiberglas, cutting off all Ø90 corners. That really changed things alot. Now, I have new monitors coming ( Event Precision Studio 8's) and an Alesis HD24. My tracking room is also treated with shitpiles of fiberglas. This is all good, but WOW I need to make some serious adjustments.
 
This is cool! Like the guitar--- actually I love it!!! Vocs remind me of David Lee Roth--- WHich is cool
 
Thanks betty

It's hard to go wrong with an ESP with EMG pickups and a Mesa Dual Recto.
 
I'd love to hear the rhythm guitars in stereo. It's a great tone that should be double tracked and panned full left & right. With everything pretty much down the center, the mix sounds slightly cluttered.
The kick needs more definition... just slightly higher than the freq it's "clicking" at right now. Nice deep bass tone tho. You seriously need more overheads in the mix. The snare has some good thud to it, but no real brightness to it.

Overall, it's pretty good, but maybe a slightly faster tempo would move this song along better.

Just my 2 cents...
-0z-
 
Hiya OZ

The guits are double tracked(played twice not copied) They aren't panned full left/right however. Maybe I will give that a shot, and bring em up a little. It is probably the best heavy guitar sound I have gotten so far. No sense burrying it.:D

I brought the overheads down intensionally because they were tracked in a untreated room and you can hear the crappy room. The room is now treated fairly well so I may just have to retrack the whole song.

I find it really hard to record a song when everything is tuned down. The low E is down to Db. It seems to make everything kinda muddy.
 
The low E at a Db? You poor thing! (Intense sarcasm mode on) Try keeping things in tune when the guitar player tunes down to an A!!!!!
Here's my example: http://www.spectresound.org/sound/Death's Sweet Revenge.mp3

Sorry man, no sympathy for you there.
Repeat after me: "Engage highpass filter." That should help you out some.

As for the guitars, if you double tracked them, PAN THOSE FUCKERS! Full out, 100% left & right. Bring 'em up. It's a nice tone, so let's hear it. Don't be shy about it, this is metal, after all.

Good luck with it if you re-track. try doing two overheads & a mono room mic next time. Give those drums some 'air"

-0z-
 
Panned the fuckers out all the way. Made a Biiiiiiiiiiggggg difference. I'll post a new version a little later. I took the extra guitar part out of the chorus too. Piss on it. It made it sound too much like Dokken:rolleyes:
 
hmm, doesn't that rhythm guitar part sound familiar?? yeah. it does. why? because every wannabe rock band of the 90's used it... and i can't figure out why, because it is quite lame. therefore, my feedback to you would be that i highly recommend that you try a little originality. also, ease up on the pentatonic scales {refer back to the originality suggestion mentioned in the previous sentence}.

overall, this song is junk. i'm not saying that you don't have any talent; i'm saying that you haven't shown any from this laughable attempt.
 
the_supercritic said:
hmm, doesn't that rhythm guitar part sound familiar?? yeah. it does. why? because every wannabe rock band of the 90's used it... and i can't figure out why, because it is quite lame. therefore, my feedback to you would be that i highly recommend that you try a little originality. also, ease up on the pentatonic scales {refer back to the originality suggestion mentioned in the previous sentence}.

overall, this song is junk. i'm not saying that you don't have any talent; i'm saying that you haven't shown any from this laughable attempt.
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NO, offense taken. I didn't write this particular song. I didn't play the lead parts either. I did the little lead at the end though (which wasn't pentatonic). I will however say that I would like to hear some of your highly original work. Lets see what you got. If you don't have anything, then shut the fuck up and have a nice day.
 
HangDawg said:
NO, offense taken. I didn't write this particular song. I didn't play the lead parts either. I did the little lead at the end though (which wasn't pentatonic). I will however say that I would like to hear some of your highly original work. Lets see what you got. If you don't have anything, then shut the fuck up and have a nice day.
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i will not be posting any of my "work."

my comments are by far the most valuable ones that any of you will get on this "back-slapping golly-g you sure are awesome" forum. you may or may not be serious about trying to actually earn a living creating and/or playing music; if you are, then i would highly recommend that you print out each of my comments and commit them to memory.
 
Oh fuckin great, another FT wannabe loser freak. Now they've invaded the clinic. Come on freak, post something. Fucking loser, you aint got the balls. Fuckin cunt!
 
the_supercritic said:
hmm, doesn't that rhythm guitar part sound familiar?? yeah. it does. why? because every wannabe rock band of the 90's used it... and i can't figure out why, because it is quite lame. therefore, my feedback to you would be that i highly recommend that you try a little originality. also, ease up on the pentatonic scales {refer back to the originality suggestion mentioned in the previous sentence}.

overall, this song is junk. i'm not saying that you don't have any talent; i'm saying that you haven't shown any from this laughable attempt.
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hey SF... HandDawg wasn't asking you to critique the song... it doesn't matter if the lick's been a zillion times...

back to business...

I thought the guitars were a bit far back... my preference though... I like a more in your face guitar

The kick and Bass Guitar may be just a tiny tad too much...

Overall favorable though...
 
From one Pennylvanian to another

Sup brother? Hey man,..I thought this was a good tune. Here are the problems i got with the mix,....

Amp noise in the beginning. Man,..that rythm guitar is wayyyy to small. Definitely needs to be doubled,.. maybe tripled and panned accordingly. There needs to be some verb on the drums. Especially with this type of rock sound. Same with the vocs. I think they are both recorded really well,..but too dry in the mix. That leads me to say,...I dont here a crappy room in any of this. It sounds to me like wherever you record at sounds pretty good,..well,..dead at least,...which can be a really good thing!

Good things about the mix,...Level wise things sound good. I think if the guitars were bigger everything would sit perfectly. Love the guitar tones. That rhythm is thick! Just needs to be bigger in the mix. Lead tones are great. Singers got a good voice. Drums are played well and sound good. I like the bass,.. I think it works in this tune. Sounds good. Maybe just alittle more definition though. But dont overdo it.

Overall I think it's a good tune,..the ONLY thing I dont like performance wise is during the chorus parts. I absolutely cannot stand the "yeah" and the "no" at the end of each line in the vocs. Man,..I'd change that,...sounds really,...hmnnnnm,..uhhhhh,...hokey,..I guess. Like a lounge singer or somethin'. Just my opinion though.

Yer' gonna love that HD man!!!!!!! Lemme' know what ya think about it.

Take 'er easy,...
Calwood
 
All the elements of a really good mix are here - It definitely needs some tweaking though -

The guitars sound like they right in the pocket tonally - But (follow me here, this is gonna sound weird...) close your eys and "visualize" the song as you listen to it...

I hear a big 'ol drumset with a couple of practice amps behind the kick drum and a little 3' 4" guy with a big voice standing in front of the kick belting out the vocals.

On the kit, the snare is sitting right on top of the kick. The cymbals are actually behind the drummer next to the small but powerful amps.

Am I making any sort of sense here? Panning, imaging and "air" in the instruments. The vocals actually cut through very well and they have a nice "airy" component in there.

Cool tune -

John Scrip - www.massivemastering.com
 
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