Mix Contest #9

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Just making the listening process a bit easier for other folks and added:

PhilR and thebarnstudio at the bottom of the list, for a listen too.

vanbus2 http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=5707

Freudian Slip http://www.soundclick.com/pro/view/01/default.cfm?bandID=589306&content=music

RawDepth


NL5


timboZ http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=5701

BentRabbit


BRIEFCASEMANX


tenkas


guitarboi89 http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=5759]

ocnor http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=5419

Chip_Saffire http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=5761

zed32 http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=5768

Greg_L


jdk303


PhilR


thebarnstudio http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=6041
 
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Guitarboi~

I missed the intro scream/growl on your mix. I have become accustomed to hearing it. I know it to be only a few seconds of the tune, but for me it sets the mood right up for some heavy listening.

I don't hear any reverb or effects on the vocals/or very little amount? As a person, whom loves reverb and effects, I find myself still liking the vox with a few nits. The intro vox is low as well as at 1:52, the same as some of the other mixes I have already listened to, but yours has less effects and without the effects, they just seem low, rather than an effect used for a building of drama/power of vocals in the song. At 3:27 I think some kind of vocal effect would have enhanced the dark feel of the tune. I do like the power of the vocal at the end, pretty raw sounding.

The cymbals hold their own and sound good.

One thing about the snare I want to mention is the pop, and that live sound it has. I love that.

I especially like the drum rolls at 4:05.

You have kept the fret noise on the bass line and I dearly love that. The bass is strong and ever present throughout the song without moving into anything elses space. The break at 3:46 keeps the listener in the fever of the tune.

The axes are excellent in my opinion. The 3:46 solo sounds very good along with the bass.

They are phat sounding and driven. My ears have no nits whatsoever.

I think the bass and axes are the strong points in this mix.

Only my ears and taste of sound humble opinion.

Kudo Guitarboi ! :cool:



Ocnor~

You have a nice strong intro...that intro vox growl is scary !!!! :D

The effects used on the vocals throughout ...echo/delay?...are great. They keep with the dark, angry, yet searching emotion of the tune.

Bass is a bit too subtle without the fret noise to my taste, but still subtly adds to the bottom end.

The guitars sit good within the mix. They are clear and seem to be more on the high end of the mix.

The snare has pop and stands out...I like that very much.

The rest of the drums sound seem to be sitting good.

The cymbals are too buried in the mix and I feel the cymbals, in this song, add a lot of accentuation to it the same as the snare.

The vocals really stand out in your mix...in fact, I think they are excellent.

Kudos Ocnor! :cool:
 
Chip Saffire~

The intro vox growl comes in to soon and too loud in my opinion. I prefer a subtle entrance, as it quickly climbs to scary. It seems to fit the feel of the tune much better.

But that aside....I really like this overall mix.

The delay/echos used (excellent) on the vox for the back and forth play, fit the tune, they are clean, clear and crisp sounding vox, although not quite as angry feeling, but still sounds good.

The treatment of the toms are excellent too. I love the overall drums in this mix. The cymbals, snare, kick, toms all have their place and levels of subtle to dominate in different places in the mix and at different times too. The constant cymbal tap is great. I think you have captured the fullness and drive of the drums in your mix.

The bass is thick throughout the tune, and even though the fret noise has been toned down somewhat...or not accentuated on(I do miss it), the bass holds it own. I wonder what this mix would have sounded like, if you had accentuated on that fret noise..?

Guitar panning and volumes sound good and they sound about middle to high end in this mix to my ears.

The little guitar sound effect, from 52-5:54 in the outro, is a nice addition.

I got to say, the drums are my favorite part of your mix.

Kudos Chip !! :cool:
 
True-eurt, Thanks for the feedback!

About the intro-growl, you might be right! If I'd lowered the growl the effekt of when the tune starts would be more... Scary=) Point taken.

I was really torn in using the delay-effekts... Because sometimes a tune needs to rest, but at the same time I liked the effekt the brought with it... So i decided to stick to it! Witch seems to be appreciated. :cool:

Yes, the vox are really clean, and that's a relic of the ordinary style of music I'm used to mix (pop-rock etc).

In person I'm very surprised over the snare, it sounds really big and upfront but at the same time it's not hiding the rest. I Love crispy cymbals, my idea is to reinforce the crispiness and lower the volume of the OH, by doing so they don't cover the rest...

About the bass-track. I don't fancy the fret-noice... I want the bass to hold the song together, but at the same time not be present... I'm not really that good with thw words, I'm from Sweden so this is quite a challenge for me=) But I must say that I've been waiting for my turn to get some comments, and I really appreciate all the good words. But I can't grasp all the glory, the tune is well performed and recorded... The foundation was something of a dream...!

Now all you guys have to do i decide... Which one it is to be... :confused:

I'll be waiting!

/Chip

(the effekt at 5:54 is a reversed snare-hit :D )
 
You are welkom Chip. Hahaha...the snare? I thought it may be another effect but chose the guitar. It really was a nice touch to the outro. I think with the in and outs of the delay effects, combined with the clean, crispness of the vocals, amidst the scary tone of the tune, the addition of the outro snare effect, your mix is definitely in the imaginative category.

The treatment of the drums and cymbals really notched up your mix.

Are you a drummer by chance? :D

Good luck to you.

True :)
 
Myself, I haven't got to it yet. I am still plugging away in order of submission. ;) I will soon...and someone else may get in here to listen too. :)

I am on Zed's mix now. I have 4 hours before I go to work and will be listening to as many as I can, with a few breaks in-between, for the sake of them not running together because of ear fatigue. This is why I have only been listening to 2-3 each time. I don't give them just one listen either, so it does take some time for me. I do believe, the band is going to make the final decision on the mix and I don't think Perdi has seen your entry or Phil's yet.
 
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No I'm not a drummer. I'm sort of a multi-musical-person, I started playing the guitar at the age of 11, entered a band with two other friends, a few years later we needed a bass-player, and since the other guitarplayer were more, how should I put it, friend with his guitar we decided I was most suitable for playing the bass. And so I have done ever since. I'm having a drumkit standing in my garage, so I just play for fun whenever I have som spare time. Wich is pretty often...=)

I believe that the foundation of a tune is a good Kick, snare, and bass. Then you just use the rest to make your personal touch... This ofcourse depends on the kind of song you're mixing... There are no rules!

/chip
 
I was just wondering, since you did such a good job with the drums. Once again, fine job mixing. :)
 
Zed~

Intro is nice and strong.

I miss the intro vox growl. The vocals are just a tad low in intro and throughout actually...but

The vocals sound good though. I love the effects. Gives it that eerie distant feeling, which definitely fits the song. Cool.

The bass fret noise is there...I love it. You've varied the predominance of everything except the axes. They are upfront all the way through...but you've let the bass come in and out as a good bottom drive, even when it takes a back seat to the axes, it doesn't disappear.

The intro axes are excellent. In fact, the axes are excellent all the way thru. You went with the nice phat, dark feel. They rule the song without really eating up everything else.

Cymbals crispy...(I like that description Chris Saffire used for the cymbals.) :D

Snare could be more punchy. You had mentioned in the rep thread you thought it to be muddy in places and perhaps compressed a bit too much. I myself, do not hear any *muddiness* and the only place that seems to have too much compression to my ears, would be the drums. They aren't terrible, just not out there as I would like to hear.

I think you have a very good mix...just some tweaking on the vox and drums.

Kudos Zed :cool:
 
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true-eurt said:
Greg L~ The site is down, so I can't listen now.
Yeah and I screwed up my 'master' file, so I'm gonna have to bow out. It would have won though! I promise! :p
 
Greg_L said:
Yeah and I screwed up my 'master' file, so I'm gonna have to bow out. It would have won though! I promise! :p
I had a smart alec response,but deleted it.... :eek: :D :p


Sorry to hear that Greg.. :)
 
Trying to get my ducks in order.... :D

Vanbus2~

Axe mix sounds more balanced/panned left/right on the phones, than my monitors...but still sound good to my ears.

Intro volume is good. The intro scream doesn't have any volume or emphasis though and I like that intro growl-scream.

Vocal volume and is good elsewhere and stands on its own admist the instruments.

Bass is nice and full where it needs to be and panned down the middle without being muddy or burying anything else.

The cymbals are not as crystal sounding(ring) as I would like to hear but still good.

The drums are set down the middle too and it sounds great ! The snare has that awesome pop and the toms excellent volume. Kick is good too. The kick and bass are so interweaved, they seem as one instrument. Kudos to the Players on that one.

I may be wrong, but it sounds like you center panned the vox, bass and drums...if so, I don't know how you got it done so as not to muddle the vox with the bass or walk all over the vox or bass with the drums. They each have there own space within the same space.

You have kept the energy and drive on this tune...kudos !! :cool:

This is of course my own opinion. :D


Freudian Slip~

Your intro is great...Strong and I love how you gave the growl a place...Volume is good too.

Bass has a dark driven energy that never lets up. I like how you kept the 'string pop' on the pick-up(?)... up front.

You did an outstanding job with the vocals. I like the delay/echo and the panning used. It rocks !!

Snare stands out with a nice reverby pop.

I would have liked to hear the cymbals a bit more bell-like. More cowbell!!! :D

The drums are a bit back in the mix, other than the snare.

Man, I love that bass string pop. Gives it some texture.

The panning sounds like the vox, drums and bass are center with this mix too, but the axe sounds more center panned too than not. In fact it all sounds center panned except for the vox delay. It amazes me even more how it isn't muddled with all center...or sounds more centered than not....sounds excellent...other than my desire to hear the toms and kick with more distinction.

I am hooked on that bass pop.

Kudos to you Freud. :cool:

Once again...only my opinion here.


Rawdepth~

I like the cymbal intro....lost the power of the growl though. :D

I like the vox waver thing, and your creativeness with it...I would like to hear what it sounds like with a tad less...But the more I listen, the more it grows on me.

The bass is good...not quite as poppin as I would like to hear, but an enveloping bottom end....at 4:05 I am wondering if it is the bass you panned right and kept raw or is it one of the axes? It has a sound like that of an electric stand up bass. I honestly can't tell, although it sounds more bassy to my ear.

I like that you have some bell on the cymbals.

Axes sound really really good..lot of dark creepy tones emphasized on and very distinct. You have kept the drive on them.

I like your panning on the headphones with the axes better than on the monitors...they seem to be more left panned on monitors and split in headphones... Sounds like vox center and the bass envelopes everything....like how the tom rolls pan through my bwain from one side to the other.

I also like your dry pop on the snare.

Excellent on that part at 4:05.

Kudos to you !! :cool:

My opinion only...



NL5~

Nice strong intro. The overall volume of the song is rather loud and that is a good thing.

The vox is excellent. I love the effects. They fit the eerie feeling set in the tune by the bass and axes. What did you do to get the effects?

The axes are just a bit overbearing and eating a lot of the drums up in my humble opinion.

The bass gets buried quite a bit too, until around 3:31.

It isn't that I think it is a bad mix. I just feel like I am listening to the tune through the guitars, rather than having them adorning the sides and/or slicing the middle of the tune. I found myself straining to hear the drums, cymbals.

Maybe my ears just need a good Q-tipping...or I need a good arse kicking. :D

Kudos NL !!! :cool:


Timboz~

The intro good.

The vox is very strong and upfront.

I love how you gave place to the tom rolls throughout...they are excellent. The drums are strong in the mix. They cymbals have a nice tapping ring to em.

The snare has a good pop. It could be just a tad louder I think.

The bass is interweaves with the tune...I hear it, but have to take a sec to make sure I am hearing it...strange, but cool.

At 3:21 the bass takes it's place with the axes.

The axes are strong and raw.

I like that you let the drums shine through along with the axes.

I like your mix timboz it is raw and I like raw...but beginning at 1:28 the volume jumps up suddenly and from then on the mix seems to be fluctuating in the overall volume, that I did not hear in your first mix that I had listened to, and liked so much.

Is anyone else hearing the volume fuctuation?

Kudos Timboz :cool:


BentRabbit~

Rabbit, I really like your mix.

Here is what my ears hear....and I could be going deaf.

Instrumental intro is good and strong with loud overall volume.

Vox are too low in the mix....except at 5:30. I LOVE the effects on the vocals...great growls and the reverb/echo/delay is just right !!! Has a trippy feel to it.

The axes are great. I love how you have them panned and emphasized without them eating up the other stuff.

The first few times I listened, I was thinking that the bass needed to come up in certain areas...but as I listened more, it occurred to me, whether intentional or not, you allowed the kick bass to be the *frontman* bottom end in the beginning from 1:30 to 2:25...then back to kick bass until 3:30 where again the bass jumps up front and the kick backs off...pretty creative and good stuff Rabbit. I do realize this may be the bass I am hearing the whole time being eq'd in those parts...but it sounds good whatever.

The snare could come up in volume. The cymbals too. I want to hear that ring ding.

Kudos Rabbit :cool:


BRIEFCASEMANX~

Intro is good.

The first few listens, I thought the intro vox were too low, but the more I listened, the more I liked their passiveness to dominance journey in the mix, fitting right in with the feel of the tune. They come off as the emotion being a bit introverted...a bit unsure of the energy direction to take....then as the tune moves along, they gain confidence and finally take the front spot with the guitars. What started as a thought, became a voice heard. I know a lot of it, is the performance of the group, but you seemed to keep with the feel of what the musicians were going for.

The echo on vox is great.

The guitars sound good in placement and volume.

Bass is sitting well in the mix and at 2:13, the bass starts to take it's predominate place in the mix, signaling and precedent of an energy change.

The drums may well be a bit too low in the mix, but not by more than a hair.

It sounds you have allowed the tune to breath it's life as played and accented the performances with your mix.

Damn I feel poetic today!! :D

I think you did an excellent job.

Kudos Brief !!! :cool:


Tenkas~

Intro is strong. Nice vocal growl.

I like the 'fret noise'(new term Freud taught me ;) ) you kept on the bass. It gets starts making a statement around 3:20. Bass sounds full and dark. At 3:45 the build up is good.

The guitars have a nice fat sound. They have an eerie feel to them accentuated by whatever effect you layed on them. The feel of the axes kick butt at 3:50 during the solo. I like the panning on the guitars. You kept their volume levels up, but out of the everyone else's space.

The drums sound pretty good, including the cymbals. Personally, I would like to hear a bit more emphasis on the snare, but that is a matter of taste. The snare did pick up in volume at 3:45 at the build up.

The vocals didn't get stepped on in my opinion and at 4:40 the bass fret noise really kicked in, yet it didn't kill the vox. The echo on the vocals at 5:22 is good too.

Like the driving outro.

Your mix has a lot of energy and drive throughout, even in the 'quieter' parts.

Kudos Tenkas. :cool:


Guitarboi~

I missed the intro scream/growl on your mix. I have become accustomed to hearing it. I know it to be only a few seconds of the tune, but for me it sets the mood right up for some heavy listening.

I don't hear any reverb or effects on the vocals/or very little amount? As a person, whom loves reverb and effects, I find myself still liking the vox with a few nits. The intro vox is low as well as at 1:52, the same as some of the other mixes I have already listened to, but yours has less effects and without the effects, they just seem low, rather than an effect used for a building of drama/power of vocals in the song. At 3:27 I think some kind of vocal effect would have enhanced the dark feel of the tune. I do like the power of the vocal at the end, pretty raw sounding.

The cymbals hold their own and sound good.

One thing about the snare I want to mention is the pop, and that live sound it has. I love that.

I especially like the drum rolls at 4:05.

You have kept the fret noise on the bass line and I dearly love that. The bass is strong and ever present throughout the song without moving into anything elses space. The break at 3:46 keeps the listener in the fever of the tune.

The axes are excellent in my opinion. The 3:46 solo sounds very good along with the bass.

They are phat sounding and driven. My ears have no nits whatsoever.

I think the bass and axes are the strong points in this mix.

Only my ears and taste of sound humble opinion.

Kudo Guitarboi ! :cool:



Ocnor~

You have a nice strong intro...that intro vox growl is scary !!!! :D

The effects used on the vocals throughout ...echo/delay?...are great. They keep with the dark, angry, yet searching emotion of the tune.

Bass is a bit too subtle without the fret noise to my taste, but still subtly adds to the bottom end.

The guitars sit good within the mix. They are clear and seem to be more on the high end of the mix.

The snare has pop and stands out...I like that very much.

The rest of the drums sound seem to be sitting good.

The cymbals are too buried in the mix and I feel the cymbals, in this song, add a lot of accentuation to it the same as the snare.

The vocals really stand out in your mix...in fact, I think they are excellent.

Kudos Ocnor! :cool:


Chip Saffire~

The intro vox growl comes in to soon and too loud in my opinion. I prefer a subtle entrance, as it quickly climbs to scary. It seems to fit the feel of the tune much better.

But that aside....I really like this overall mix.

The delay/echos used (excellent) on the vox for the back and forth play, fit the tune, they are clean, clear and crisp sounding vox, although not quite as angry feeling, but still sounds good.

The treatment of the toms are excellent too. I love the overall drums in this mix. The cymbals, snare, kick, toms all have their place and levels of subtle to dominate in different places in the mix and at different times too. The constant cymbal tap is great. I think you have captured the fullness and drive of the drums in your mix.

The bass is thick throughout the tune, and even though the fret noise has been toned down somewhat...or not accentuated on(I do miss it), the bass holds it own. I wonder what this mix would have sounded like, if you had accentuated on that fret noise..?

Guitar panning and volumes sound good and they sound about middle to high end in this mix to my ears.

The little guitar sound effect, from 52-5:54 in the outro, is a nice addition.

I got to say, the drums are my favorite part of your mix.

Kudos Chip !! :cool:


Zed~

Intro is nice and strong.

I miss the intro vox growl. The vocals are just a tad low in intro and throughout actually...but

The vocals sound good though. I love the effects. Gives it that eerie distant feeling, which definitely fits the song. Cool.

The bass fret noise is there...I love it. You've varied the predominance of everything except the axes. They are upfront all the way through...but you've let the bass come in and out as a good bottom drive, even when it takes a back seat to the axes, it doesn't disappear.

The intro axes are excellent. In fact, the axes are excellent all the way thru. You went with the nice phat, dark feel. They rule the song without really eating up everything else.

Cymbals crispy...(I like that description Chris Saffire used for the cymbals.) :D

Snare could be more punchy. You had mentioned in the rep thread you thought it to be muddy in places and perhaps compressed a bit too much. I myself, do not hear any *muddiness* and the only place that seems to have too much compression to my ears, would be the drums. They aren't terrible, just not out there as I would like to hear.

I think you have a very good mix...just some tweaking on the vox and drums.

Kudos Zed :cool:


Jdk~

Intro is good and strong...no growl intro vox though.

The vox transform from crying misery to searching feel to a raw, angry dangerousness and back around again.... Cool.

2:58 I like what sounds like a double delay starting and carrying on through to the end

The axes stand out immensely on this mix. They actually kick ass in my opinion. I couldn't resist cranking this up to the point of being run out of the house !! :eek:

You took the dark energy and eerie life force of the guitars right to the edge of eating everything up.

3:45 the right panned guitar is awesome...sounds like the bass with different effects on it.

Bass lost the fret noise in this mix, but you made up for it with the axes.

The drums are somewhat back in the mix most of the time. The snare sounds punchy though and crash/splash presence is known. I could swear, I actually hear the kick in this mix. I like the delay effect on the toms at 5:06.

Not crazy about the sudden drop outro at the point it drops.

Just my opinion though. :D

Kudos JDK! :cool:


PhilR~

Intro is good and the growl has been kept.

The vox are good, just to low in the mix I think. Doesn't sound like any delay effects have been used, but are still good. I personally, just miss the eerieness the effects give them.

Intro cymbal sounds great and the taps stay throughout. Nice an crispy with all of them. The crash/high seemed a bit too upfront and I was going to remark to take em back, but the more I listened, the more I liked the predominance of them. They added to the angry feel of the song.

Drums are good, the toms a bit dampened to my ears.


The snare has a different pop effect on it and I like it. It releases an anger of it's own with every hit....that fits well with the tone of the song.

Axes are strong and upfront in your mix. Beginning around 3:21 where the bass gets more upfront, the guitars stand their ground. Both axes seem a bit heavy on the left panning.

Kudos PhilR! :cool:


Barnstudio~


Intro is strong. You kept the vox growl, but not strong enough.

Vocals are a bit buried in the guitars.

Cymbals are good....during one of the solo breaks, I think the 3:54 break, they become a bit annoying to me.

Drum panning is good throughout, they do however become more left panned towards the end on the tom rolls.

Snare has nice pop and volume and centered panned throughout.

3:54 bass fret noise sounds great and spooky. I think the bass sounds excellent all the way through the song.

You've panned the guitars at the 3:54 solo break opposite of what others did, to my memory anyway? Nice switch. The right panned axe sounds like an upright bass during the 3:54 solo break.

The axes are a bit muddy sounding to me though,especially the right panned one...distortion?... and the volume on the right panned one could come up at bit. Nice sustain emphasis at 4:46-55...

I noticed the mix sounds more balanced out on the headphones with the volume and panning. I enjoyed the listen a lot on the headphones. Did you by chance do the mix with phones?

Kudos Barnstudio! :cool:
 
Greg_L~ I'm sorry you didn't get in on this.

I want to say to all of you guys, that you did great jobs on the mix. They all had their strong and weak areas. It is hard to listen to so many and keep them straight as to who did what. I liked them all for different reasons, but did have some choices as to what I thought the song sounded best. I am sure there are some difference of opinions as to my comments...but that is okay, because we all have a different sound we are looking for. :)

The band will have their pick too, just like anyone listening. Some like emphasis on axes...some on the drum...some the bass...some the vox...some want an overall balanced out mix. Some like a live, raw sound, others a polished studio sound. None of them are wrong or bad, in my opinion...just different listening preferences. That is why the final decision should be the bands. They know better than anyone else, how they want to sound.

I enjoyed listening because, first of all, this is a kick ass song. The performances on it are excellent and it was recorded well also. The lyrics are awesome and the emotion plays through. I believe perdi had mentioned the lead singer as sucking or something. :confused: I think he did an excellent job.

All of this made your jobs much easier and enjoyable. Kudos to everyone involved !!!! :cool:

I hope I have not insulted or been rude to anyone, in the way I worded things. I was being as honest as I could. I don't think one has to be an ass to be honest.

Keep on rockin doods !!! :D

True
 
true-eurt said:
Greg_L~ I'm sorry you didn't get in on this.
Yeah, well, thats okay. Damn hosting site took a shit and I screwed up saving my 'master' mix and I didnt feel like starting over. Maybe next time. :)
 
true-eurt said:
Jdk~
Intro is good and strong...no growl intro vox though.

The vox transform from crying misery to searching feel to a raw, angry dangerousness and back around again.... Cool.

2:58 I like what sounds like a double delay starting and carrying on through to the end

The axes stand out immensely on this mix. They actually kick ass in my opinion. I couldn't resist cranking this up to the point of being run out of the house !! :eek:

You took the dark energy and eerie life force of the guitars right to the edge of eating everything up.

3:45 the right panned guitar is awesome...sounds like the bass with different effects on it.

Bass lost the fret noise in this mix, but you made up for it with the axes.

The drums are somewhat back in the mix most of the time. The snare sounds punchy though and crash/splash presence is known. I could swear, I actually hear the kick in this mix. I like the delay effect on the toms at 5:06.

Not crazy about the sudden drop outro at the point it drops.

Just my opinion though. :D

Kudos JDK! :cool:

Thanks for the review! I'm glad you like the guitars. My main concern with a mix is whether the drums will be punchy enough, especially the snare and kick. I hate when the kick gets lost in a rock/metal song, so I tried my best with this mix to get the kick in there.

I left the fret noises of the bass out, because they were interfering with the groove of the song.

Anyway, thanks again! :)
 
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