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balls1299
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WOW. You do seem overwhelmed!! Let me ask you a few questions.
Do you have an RTA or have you ever used one on your monitoring system?
If not, have you ever tried EQing your monitors to a CD you're very familiar with and then mixing your material?
Have you ever referenced your mixes or tried to mix to a boom box or home stereo or threw something to cassette mid-mix and checked it on your car stereo?
I guess what I'm getting at here is that it seems as if you are using your studio monitors with expectations that they are ground zero, top choice perfectly EQ'd as reference speakers. The fact is, there is no such thing!! You can mix your tunes at the Hit Factory and still have problems going from system to system. Think of this-- When you listen to CD's in your car, does each one exhibit the same EQ characteristics? You probably tinker with the EQ from CD to CD. Also remember that your ear will be the most discriminating when it comes to your own mixes.
To what extent do you use panning to create a stereo image?
Let me know. I might be able to offer you some suggestions with micing to create a wider audio image. I would also like to hear some of your mixes. Do you have any available?
Do you have an RTA or have you ever used one on your monitoring system?
If not, have you ever tried EQing your monitors to a CD you're very familiar with and then mixing your material?
Have you ever referenced your mixes or tried to mix to a boom box or home stereo or threw something to cassette mid-mix and checked it on your car stereo?
I guess what I'm getting at here is that it seems as if you are using your studio monitors with expectations that they are ground zero, top choice perfectly EQ'd as reference speakers. The fact is, there is no such thing!! You can mix your tunes at the Hit Factory and still have problems going from system to system. Think of this-- When you listen to CD's in your car, does each one exhibit the same EQ characteristics? You probably tinker with the EQ from CD to CD. Also remember that your ear will be the most discriminating when it comes to your own mixes.
To what extent do you use panning to create a stereo image?
Let me know. I might be able to offer you some suggestions with micing to create a wider audio image. I would also like to hear some of your mixes. Do you have any available?
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balls1299
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Also, about your EQ questions...
Forget all Db cuts and such. Get a flat reference system, record flat and mix flat. Don't try to reinvent the wheel using EQ. EQ should be used only as an effect to sweeten your mix so use it sparingly!! Too much EQ will change the face of your material and not for the better. If your song's arrangement is good and recorded well(basics), then the mix should be a breeze!!
Forget all Db cuts and such. Get a flat reference system, record flat and mix flat. Don't try to reinvent the wheel using EQ. EQ should be used only as an effect to sweeten your mix so use it sparingly!! Too much EQ will change the face of your material and not for the better. If your song's arrangement is good and recorded well(basics), then the mix should be a breeze!!
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thehorseshoe
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I am going to throw a long one here.....
You see, that's just the thing, I do record flat. I mix flat. The end result is a flat CD. I do not eq ANYTHING going in. And I up until recently haven't eq'd anything coming out. All I know is that when I eq the desktop monitoring system I have, it sounds like it is supposed to. I mean it is rich and full of life. All I want to do is re-create that same principal to the actual mix and be able to hear that same life on my home system and my car system. Thanks again guys! You're the best!
You see, that's just the thing, I do record flat. I mix flat. The end result is a flat CD. I do not eq ANYTHING going in. And I up until recently haven't eq'd anything coming out. All I know is that when I eq the desktop monitoring system I have, it sounds like it is supposed to. I mean it is rich and full of life. All I want to do is re-create that same principal to the actual mix and be able to hear that same life on my home system and my car system. Thanks again guys! You're the best!
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balls1299
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how about the RTA?
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thehorseshoe
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forgive me balls, what is RTA?
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balls1299
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It's a Real Time Analyzer.
You put it into the signal path and it generates pink noise. It has a microphone that you place in close proximity to where you head is while mixing or monitoring. The microphone gathers the pink noise eminating from your reference monitors and the unit displays your frequency variences. For example, it may show a loss of 3db at 2K. Then you would simply boost your monitor's eq 3db at 2K. You do this until you have a flat reponse, that is, all frequencies are being represented equally. It's something that should be done on a semi regular basis, especially in home recording situations where your studio area is not climate controlled on a full time basis. Changes in temperature and humidity will definitely affect your overall eq.
You put it into the signal path and it generates pink noise. It has a microphone that you place in close proximity to where you head is while mixing or monitoring. The microphone gathers the pink noise eminating from your reference monitors and the unit displays your frequency variences. For example, it may show a loss of 3db at 2K. Then you would simply boost your monitor's eq 3db at 2K. You do this until you have a flat reponse, that is, all frequencies are being represented equally. It's something that should be done on a semi regular basis, especially in home recording situations where your studio area is not climate controlled on a full time basis. Changes in temperature and humidity will definitely affect your overall eq.
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boardman
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I guess I don't get it. I had a brand new mackie 1604 vlz pro last year. Used it quite a bit. It's a fine board. Then Behringer came out with their new mx3242x this year. I got rid of the mackie and got the behringer. I might be a newbie to this site, but I'm not a newbie to recording. I've used real crappy boards and I've used really great boards. I can say for sure that I would rather spend 875 on the behringer than a grand on the mackie. Why do you think mackie is suing behringer. The pre's on both boards are just as quite. If you don't think so, put a scope on them both. I will admit that behringer has made some less than desirable stuff.
So all you behringer bashers better check out their new stuff. They got mackie by the balls. And I'm not talking about their little 100 to 300 dollor mixers. The 3242x is kicking the crap out of the 1604. Of course this is all just my humble opinion and I'm sure you all have yours. The fact is, either board is a great piece of equipment and if you know what your doing, when your done mixing and mastering your music, you won't know which board was used.
So all you behringer bashers better check out their new stuff. They got mackie by the balls. And I'm not talking about their little 100 to 300 dollor mixers. The 3242x is kicking the crap out of the 1604. Of course this is all just my humble opinion and I'm sure you all have yours. The fact is, either board is a great piece of equipment and if you know what your doing, when your done mixing and mastering your music, you won't know which board was used.
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trebles
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Has anyone seen a test results for this Behringer 3242x board and i mean results not advertising.
I will stay open minded here i would not have bought a Behringer mixer either in the past as a main mixer but do see its potential for a spare if all checks out
it would be nice to know how well the faders and pots will stand up to a few years of tweaking remember when you start having to replace chans and faders etc all that costs as repair people dont work for nothing and if something major goes wrong sometimes its cheaper to employ the hammer then dig deep into ones pocket to fix something the manufacturer should have got right in the r an d stages of the mixer
anyway i got lots of time to watch all the contenders fall im busy buying great mics and mic pres the mixer will now be my last purchase and what i buy is gonna jump through hoops of fire for my money i aint throwing away money on any ones advertising gimmicks be it from any company big or small test results conducted by professional audio people who are not influenced by any magazine or manufacturer are what i am seeking before i buy anything and if you are all smart you will do the same
let the people who make the stuff serve us up quality at a fair price maybe then they will sell more product because its quality and not always go for the easy bucks from the fool and their money who always seem to part company very quickly if your one of these fools dont look so badly on the next fat exec who passes you buy on the freeway in his flashy new porche hey man you put him there why complain some food for thought for those reading the menu properly
I will stay open minded here i would not have bought a Behringer mixer either in the past as a main mixer but do see its potential for a spare if all checks out
it would be nice to know how well the faders and pots will stand up to a few years of tweaking remember when you start having to replace chans and faders etc all that costs as repair people dont work for nothing and if something major goes wrong sometimes its cheaper to employ the hammer then dig deep into ones pocket to fix something the manufacturer should have got right in the r an d stages of the mixer
anyway i got lots of time to watch all the contenders fall im busy buying great mics and mic pres the mixer will now be my last purchase and what i buy is gonna jump through hoops of fire for my money i aint throwing away money on any ones advertising gimmicks be it from any company big or small test results conducted by professional audio people who are not influenced by any magazine or manufacturer are what i am seeking before i buy anything and if you are all smart you will do the same
let the people who make the stuff serve us up quality at a fair price maybe then they will sell more product because its quality and not always go for the easy bucks from the fool and their money who always seem to part company very quickly if your one of these fools dont look so badly on the next fat exec who passes you buy on the freeway in his flashy new porche hey man you put him there why complain some food for thought for those reading the menu properly
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boardman
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I agree with trebles that you should check out any equipment before you buy. As far as faders, pots, etc., they can all wear out. Not even the biggest names and most expensive equipment are problem free. Of course you might minimize these problems by buying the better and more expensive brand name, but budget does come in to play. After all, we are at home recording.com not pro studio.com. and since most people here are not building a pro studio say in the 50,000 up range, they need to be pointed in the under 10,000 grand range, and I'm talking about the whole studio, not just one piece of equipment. Anyway, my comment was about behringer boards. All I'm saying is behringer has come a long ways in their boards. They are solid and dependable. I haven't had any problems with my mx3242x and I still say it is a better buy than the mackie 1604.
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trebles
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10,000 us dollars wil buy you some great equipment if you look before you leap.
Ask your self how far into the future do i want to take this intrest in home recording.
sometimes setting a small amount of money aside in an investment fund over a regular period in the long term will even buy you the things you have wanted but you must also employ patience theres no point buying junk then coming on the board and saying life done me wrong i got the cheap equipment blues
You want to know something you will be singing those those three chords all by yourself as once you have parted with the cash its gone and the quick talking salesperson dont care either they have made their sale and met their projected sales target for the moment.
You on the other hand sit alone in your cubical studio and say now what do i do i just blew what i had on this piece of j u n k
yes its got lots of flashing leds and and and and .............. S T O P
Enter a price point for any piece of gear look at the gear then go away with your money intact and save double that amount then
some while your waiting for the bargain or blow out sales to come while your waiting read these threads on bbs homerecording listen to the wise people here essp the very experienced recording enginers their time in here is priceless to us and we should be thankfull they are here to share with us think hard about what you are going to ask before you blurt it out remember others who give to this board have limited time too their time is precious to them so dont waste it go look for the answers on the board before you start another thread on items such as the c1 my god look in the mic section this brillant product has had so many threads new threads created and if you look close you will find the faq,s repeated over and over .....................
i s a n y o n e o u t t h e r e i s a n y o n e
l i s t e n i n g
patience plus research plus balanced opionion and weighted decision will serve your equipment list well the opposite will have you scoring great feedback rating on ebay which would you rather ???
Ask your self how far into the future do i want to take this intrest in home recording.
sometimes setting a small amount of money aside in an investment fund over a regular period in the long term will even buy you the things you have wanted but you must also employ patience theres no point buying junk then coming on the board and saying life done me wrong i got the cheap equipment blues
You want to know something you will be singing those those three chords all by yourself as once you have parted with the cash its gone and the quick talking salesperson dont care either they have made their sale and met their projected sales target for the moment.
You on the other hand sit alone in your cubical studio and say now what do i do i just blew what i had on this piece of j u n k
yes its got lots of flashing leds and and and and .............. S T O P
Enter a price point for any piece of gear look at the gear then go away with your money intact and save double that amount then
some while your waiting for the bargain or blow out sales to come while your waiting read these threads on bbs homerecording listen to the wise people here essp the very experienced recording enginers their time in here is priceless to us and we should be thankfull they are here to share with us think hard about what you are going to ask before you blurt it out remember others who give to this board have limited time too their time is precious to them so dont waste it go look for the answers on the board before you start another thread on items such as the c1 my god look in the mic section this brillant product has had so many threads new threads created and if you look close you will find the faq,s repeated over and over .....................
i s a n y o n e o u t t h e r e i s a n y o n e
l i s t e n i n g
patience plus research plus balanced opionion and weighted decision will serve your equipment list well the opposite will have you scoring great feedback rating on ebay which would you rather ???
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boardman
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Trebles.
Amen brother!!! I believe you just about covered it.
Peace
Amen brother!!! I believe you just about covered it.
Peace
A Reel Person
It's Too Funky in Here!!!
Jesus, Sonusman!!! Lighten up!!!
You just came right out, and busted this guy's balls, but good. Show no mercy, & take no prisoners, dammit, sonusman!!!
This is the Newbie forum, for god's sake, sonusman!
Don't bust the guy's balls, it was an honest 'newbie' question. So what if he doesn't have a clue, and that most home recording will never sound like a commercially recorded "radio-ready" CD. It's an honest assumption for a Newbie to make, and nonetheless, a worthwhile goal to have. Apologize! [sonusman!], He's a Newbie, for god's sake, take it easy!
You just came right out, and busted this guy's balls, but good. Show no mercy, & take no prisoners, dammit, sonusman!!!
This is the Newbie forum, for god's sake, sonusman!
Don't bust the guy's balls, it was an honest 'newbie' question. So what if he doesn't have a clue, and that most home recording will never sound like a commercially recorded "radio-ready" CD. It's an honest assumption for a Newbie to make, and nonetheless, a worthwhile goal to have. Apologize! [sonusman!], He's a Newbie, for god's sake, take it easy!
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trebles
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looking left looking right i cant see Ed in here
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trebs,trebles said:
Look a little further left (page 1). You'll find Ed's comments there. I don't think he needs to apologize, tho. The guy asked a legitimate question, and Ed gave an honest answer. Maybe not the answer thehorseshoe wanted, but quite possibly a correct answer.
I haven't even bothered trying to master anything yet. Sure, I'll slap the "Wavehammer" on the tail end of the bus to make everything hotter, but I think that it is clouding my judgement on my mixes.
"Grasshopper, you must first learn to walk, before you can run."
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zip
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Re: Jesus, Sonusman!!! Lighten up!!!
Uhhhhh...Reel Person.....
Don't you realize Ed is the Professor of Prickology? (self proclaimed)
It is his function...no his DUTY...to call out the unrealistic on this board! Is he straight forward? Yes. Does he call it like he sees it? Yup. Will you LEARN if you take it on the chin and read into what he posts...certainly.
Because of Ed and a few other REAL engineers on this board I understand my limitations with the stuff I use. Do I wish I had Neve pres / U87's / 2" tape?? YES!! But that's really not the point either...I've heard files recorded by Ed with 4033's an ART pre and an ADAT that sound great.
All he was really trying to say is to get pro results you need two things....either...... (preferrably both)
1) Pro equipment
and preferrably....
2) Pro knowledge......
An Ultramaximizer plugin ain't gunna get you there!!
So let the newbies take it on the chin - read between the lines and LEARN something...maybe with some obtained pro knowledge they can maximize the setup they currently have...
Just my 2 cents...
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Uhhhhh...Reel Person.....
Don't you realize Ed is the Professor of Prickology? (self proclaimed)
It is his function...no his DUTY...to call out the unrealistic on this board! Is he straight forward? Yes. Does he call it like he sees it? Yup. Will you LEARN if you take it on the chin and read into what he posts...certainly.
Because of Ed and a few other REAL engineers on this board I understand my limitations with the stuff I use. Do I wish I had Neve pres / U87's / 2" tape?? YES!! But that's really not the point either...I've heard files recorded by Ed with 4033's an ART pre and an ADAT that sound great.
All he was really trying to say is to get pro results you need two things....either...... (preferrably both)
1) Pro equipment
and preferrably....
2) Pro knowledge......
An Ultramaximizer plugin ain't gunna get you there!!
So let the newbies take it on the chin - read between the lines and LEARN something...maybe with some obtained pro knowledge they can maximize the setup they currently have...
Just my 2 cents...
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zip
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BTW....
I'm not rescuing Ed....he can more than adequately defend himself. The above post is just how I feel about things around here....
If I'm an idiot - Ed or Sjoko or Bruce or...... will let me know. I rely on that.
I'm not rescuing Ed....he can more than adequately defend himself. The above post is just how I feel about things around here....
If I'm an idiot - Ed or Sjoko or Bruce or...... will let me know. I rely on that.
A Reel Person
It's Too Funky in Here!!!
I just thought Sonusman was a bit too harsh,
and there could have been a nicer way to put it, whatever his advice may be.
The guy from the original post said, 'maybe this is the dumbest question ever', which is debatable, but Sonusman didn't have to slap him in the face, or rub his nose in it, even if he asked for it, [and he did ask for it, sort of].
I've also read a few good posts from Sonusman, and especially one that I was really impressed with. I just think Sonusman came charging out of the gate, being a little too harsh on this guy, the Newbie... on this issue.
HR.com often burns out its new members, with all this 'you're a shithead' attitude, that's floating around, and being handed to Newbies, by so-called 'respectable' members of the BBS.
Sure, maybe the Newbie asked for it, being called 'dumb', or whatever, it's right in the title of the post, but Sonusman just seemed like he snapped off at the guy. Sure, Newbies need guidance, and some criticizm, just lighten up a bit, Sonusman.
Sonusman, you may be 'the bees knees' of pro recording, etc, but drop the attitude, and try to be a little nicer to newbies with honest questions, however 'dumb' they might sound to a 'pro' like you.
and there could have been a nicer way to put it, whatever his advice may be.
The guy from the original post said, 'maybe this is the dumbest question ever', which is debatable, but Sonusman didn't have to slap him in the face, or rub his nose in it, even if he asked for it, [and he did ask for it, sort of].
I've also read a few good posts from Sonusman, and especially one that I was really impressed with. I just think Sonusman came charging out of the gate, being a little too harsh on this guy, the Newbie... on this issue.
HR.com often burns out its new members, with all this 'you're a shithead' attitude, that's floating around, and being handed to Newbies, by so-called 'respectable' members of the BBS.
Sure, maybe the Newbie asked for it, being called 'dumb', or whatever, it's right in the title of the post, but Sonusman just seemed like he snapped off at the guy. Sure, Newbies need guidance, and some criticizm, just lighten up a bit, Sonusman.
Sonusman, you may be 'the bees knees' of pro recording, etc, but drop the attitude, and try to be a little nicer to newbies with honest questions, however 'dumb' they might sound to a 'pro' like you.
zip
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Re: I just thought Sonusman was a bit too harsh,
Yeah - but Ed is Ed is Ed is Ed and he isn't going to change....
....and I don't know of TOO many people (actually only one and he wasn't a newbie by any stretch) who have left the board because of him.
....and he posts some great shit - once you get over his prickness......
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A Reel Person said:
Yeah - but Ed is Ed is Ed is Ed and he isn't going to change....
....and I don't know of TOO many people (actually only one and he wasn't a newbie by any stretch) who have left the board because of him.
....and he posts some great shit - once you get over his prickness......
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A Reel Person
It's Too Funky in Here!!!
If Sonusman's friends refer to him as 'King Prick',
or something like that, then maybe I should lay off Sonusman, lower my expectations, and agree with you all: Sonusman's a prick. See, that was easy!
Ok, I've seen the light.
Ok, Sonusman, your friends think you're a prick, and we all should expect you to act like a prick, no questions asked.
or something like that, then maybe I should lay off Sonusman, lower my expectations, and agree with you all: Sonusman's a prick. See, that was easy!
Ok, I've seen the light.
Ok, Sonusman, your friends think you're a prick, and we all should expect you to act like a prick, no questions asked.