Mastering opinion please

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Greg_L said:
Lol. Okay then. Your ear is finely tuned to the nuances of modern radio rock production. So what's the point of this thread again? :laughings:
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Well, I read a lot of other threads were people were talking about compression and cymbals not fitting in the mix and stuff like that. I was interested to hear people analyze this song and provide technical feedback without bashing it because they don't like the genre :cool: Ambitious I know ;)
 
Id agree with the Green Day comment, also their last album...Im no fan, my wife is, but for sound they really produce something sonically pleasurable, and unlike some of her other choices this one gets played in the car, the new one too lol

I didnt like your killswitch example, but in truth I cant really listen to metal all the way through..of the top of my head the best production ive heard in a while...in fact the first Ive thought about production while listening to it is the last Muse album, The Resistance...I love the drums and guitar in it (when he remembers to play it)..it was like a "wow" album when I put it on...when I compare that to something also contemporary like the Gorillaz Plastic Beach its makes it sound like something done in a home studio..one day Ill match the Gorillaz, but not that Muse album...
 
GuitardedMark said:
Well, I read a lot of other threads were people were talking about compression and cymbals not fitting in the mix and stuff like that. I was interested to hear people analyze this song and provide technical feedback without bashing it because they don't like the genre :cool: Ambitious I know ;)
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It has nothing to do with genre. Like I said, it is what it is. You're asking home recording hobbyists to pick apart a big-budget, professionally done commercial release from a band with major label support. We gave our opinions. You don't like them. As was mentioned already, a listen to the raw tracks will tell the tale. I can't even imagine how much money and studio work was thrown into that song, but I bet it's a whole lot on both counts.
 
Greg_L said:
It has nothing to do with genre. Like I said, it is what it is. You're asking home recording hobbyists to pick apart a big-budget, professionally done commercial release from a band with major label support. We gave our opinions. You don't like them. As was mentioned already, a listen to the raw tracks will tell the tale. I can't even imagine how much money and studio work was thrown into that song, but I bet it's a whole lot on both counts.
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I wasn't really looking for opinions, I was looking for technical analyzation of the production :cool:
 
GuitardedMark said:
HA! You bastard ;) Ill try again.

I am looking for opinions that include technical analyzation :D
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Chibi Nappa said:
Sounds to me like sample replacement on the drums, tuning on the vocals, and every single stroke on every single track nudged along the Protools grid into perfect alignment. Then it was mixed with an ear for "filling up all the space".
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Greg_L said:
Originally Posted by Chibi Nappa
Sounds to me like sample replacement on the drums, tuning on the vocals, and every single stroke on every single track nudged along the Protools grid into perfect alignment. Then it was mixed with an ear for "filling up all the space".
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Curse me if I'm greedy but more of that would be great

Originally Posted by Greg_L
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not so helpful...
 
I mean that's probably all there is to it for a modern rock recording like that. Samples...auto-tune....some fierce editing and other assorted black box tricks. I'm sure the guys that engineered this have thousands of other records that sound just like it because of there (to quote greg on this one) "cookie cutter production".

I'm not saying you have bad taste beause you like what you like and you may hate the recordings that I like, but if you think this is amazing production you should look a little deeper, this is pretty standard and surface level.

I would look into some of the modern rock production techniques, look up the engineer, see if he has any interviews about it and try to learn from there because no one here can tell you how this record was made.

-Barrett
 
Bguzaldo said:
I mean that's probably all there is to it for a modern rock recording like that. Samples...auto-tune....some fierce editing and other assorted black box tricks. I'm sure the guys that engineered this have thousands of other records that sound just like it because of there (to quote greg on this one) "cookie cutter production".

I'm not saying you have bad taste beause you like what you like and you may hate the recordings that I like, but if you think this is amazing production you should look a little deeper, this is pretty standard and surface level.

I would look into some of the modern rock production techniques, look up the engineer, see if he has any interviews about it and try to learn from there because no one here can tell you how this record was made.

-Barrett
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Why do I get the feeling I'm being horribly mis-understood (and judged)? I have read interviews. Funny enough this is not "cookie cutter production" For instance, I know they used a lot of room mics for the guitars and did not only do the standard sm57 right next to cab. I also know they layered clean guitars with the distored guitars, which I've not heard of very often for metal. Anyways I'm not asking for how they made the album. Once again, I was simply looking for comments regarding "what you hear" with a technical explanation. How hard is that to understand?

I love how often anti-metal people like you, show their lack of respect for the genre, which to me, comes off as pure ignorance. I don't go listen to a country song and say "thats just auto-tune and cookie cutter production with thousands of clones. Furthermore you need to look at deeper productions". Why? because I dont LISTEN to country so my ears are not tuned to hear the intrices of the music. Not to mention, what are the chances you even listened to the song barret? If you did you'd realize there is no damn auto-tune... What you consider good production is not necessarily what other people consider good production. Being a producer (if you even are), you should know that. :spank:

A lot of what Greg says, he has a good basis for and even though I dislike his approach, I do value his opinion. Who the hell are you? I don't even remember seeing a relevant post of yours... :cool:
 
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GuitardedMark said:
Why do I get the feeling I'm being horribly mis-understood (and judged)? I have read interviews. Funny enough this is not "cookie cutter production" For instance, I know they used a lot of room mics for the guitars and did not only do the standard sm57 right next to cab. I also know they layered clean guitars with the distored guitars, which I've not heard of very often for metal. Anyways I'm not asking for how they made the album. Once again, I was simply looking for comments regarding "what you hear" with a technical explanation. How hard is that to understand?

I love how often anti-metal people like you, show their lack of respect for the genre, which to me, comes off as pure ignorance. I don't go listen to a country song and say "thats just auto-tune and cookie cutter production with thousands of clones. Furthermore you need to look at deeper productions". Why? because I dont LISTEN to country so my ears are not tuned to hear the intrices of the music. Not to mention, what are the chances you even listened to the song barret? If you did you'd realize there is no damn auto-tune... What you consider good production is not necessarily what other people consider good production. Being a producer (if you even are), you should know that. :spank:

A lot of what Greg says, he has a good basis for and even though I dislike his approach, I do value his opinion. Who the hell are you? I don't even remember seeing a relevant post of yours... :cool:
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1.You don't wanna know how it was made....what exactly do you want a technical explanation of then?

2."I love how often anti-metal people like you, show their lack of respect for the genre, which to me, comes off as pure ignorance" Wait so who is the one that's mis-judging? I'm not anti-metal I just don't like this style of metal

3.Auto isn't always T-pain robo voice, it can be very well hidden

4."What you consider good production is not necessarily what other people consider good production." this was stated more or less in my post

"I'm not saying you have bad taste beause you like what you like and you may hate the recordings that I like"


5. I'm not sure why you choose me to pick on me, I was honestly trying to help. Whenever I hear a recording I dig, I look up the engineer read about him and try some of his techniques and decide which ones work for me.

I'm really sorry if I came off as an ignorant asshole
 
Bguzaldo said:
1.You don't wanna know how it was made....what exactly do you want a technical explanation of then?
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Third try on this one.

"Anyways I'm not asking for how they made the album. Once again, I was simply looking for comments regarding "what you hear" with a technical explanation"

Im trying to find out what other people are hearing and with a technical explanation of what they dont like. Instead of "sounds like pop metal radio garbage" something like "the guitars are over compressed and the mix is not dynamic enough". I'm trying to isolate specifically what people do or dont like in the sound from a technical standpoint.
 
Mark, buddy, you need to calm down. No one is being anti-metal. I don't see where you got that from. Maybe you're too green to understand what's being said or you simply just haven't critically listened to enough music to get what's being said. For me personally, I'm not anti-modern recording techniques at all. I like it loud and don't particularly care about a lot of dynamics. Hell, I don't use tape and haven't since 1993. My own music and the music I like is a barrage of volume from beginning to end. That Killswitch example you posted is nothing special though. It truly sounds like any other highly polished commercial production job. It's a guitar heavy, robotic, typical modern metal mix. You took offense to the Nickelback comparison, but they really do sound the same as far as production goes. Super loud, super slick, super perfect, heavily processed everything. Those pro productions use pro everything. Those bands have good equipment to start with, and then it's heavily doctored even further in the studio. Layering guitars and using room mics is no new phenomonon. Neither is pristine drum sample replacement. Neither is auto-tune. When you have a million dollar room to record in, and a million dollar budget, it's easy to throw everything in the arsenal at a mix, and that's what they do. Most of us home-recorder hobbyists probably can't even fathom the amount of production that goes into a modern rock mix. The song does lose something though in the process once it's quantized, sanitized, and hit with a spit shine. How angry can you be when you've got major label backing and a pro studio to fuck around in? Listen to a Stooges record. That production sucks, but it sounds ten times angrier and meaner than this stuff. I think that's what turns some of the older generation off of this new stuff. It really is cookie-cutter and contrived. It's not believable. When I hear the MC5 shout "kick out the jams, motherfucker", I believe it. Even after ten thousand listens. Maybe in 30 years people will look back to the good ol 2010's and say "man, those songs and mixes had feeling", but I really doubt it.
 
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