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GuitardedMark
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You can't be serious.
I corrected that to "To be honest, I think Killswitch does for metal what the Floyd did for rock (in regards to album sound) and I LOVE Pink Floyd."
Damn you quick! I literally click the "send" button and immediately saw that i forgot to put "in regards to album sound" and changed it right after the post sent.
I'm strickly talking about sound on the album here. The only other album that I think would compete with Killswitch's is Master of Puppets. At the time that was a breakthrough sound for metal.
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Chibi Nappa
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I am not that familiar with metal, so my examples will have to be outside the genre...
Here's the thing about aggressive music: The aggression can be incompatible with "good" production. It doesn't have to be by any means, but you really have to put emotion above all other production concerns. So you get albums from bands like Operation Ivy that by all rights sound like dog shit, only they work so well you would be hard-pressed to do anything differently.
Compare Nirvana's "Nevermind" to the same tracks live on the "From the Muddy Banks..." album. It is much more aggressive live. The production is so "bad" live.
Not that pristine aggression doesn't exist...Simaese Dream attacks your ear without mercy while sounding flawless. They did it by driving themselves to the brink of insanity nit-picking hundreds of guitar performances.
Anything put out by Muse keeps a nice aggressive edge despite wandering dangerously close to "generic edit and mix". It's all about how much the song moves you.
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Greg_L
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Dude, the "Killswitch sound" has been the standard modern metal/rock sound for years. At least a decade. Hell it's no different than a Creed, Alterbridge, or Nickelback album. It's just another very highly polished rock recording. Stop being a fanboi and think objectively.
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Greg_L
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Exactly. OpIvy's recordings suck ass, but you don't even notice because the songs are good.
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Chibi Nappa
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The thing is, you can't separate the sound from the feeling. Is "big" how red the meters are, or is "big" how fucking angry the guitar sounds? There is no anger in a click and drag from a mouse. There can be anger in a guitar player's hands.
GuitardedMark
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You know Greg, sometimes I actually appreciate your un-filtered madness
But I must say you seem like a miserably unhappy person 
But I must say you seem like a miserably unhappy person
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Greg_L
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You know Greg, sometimes I actually appreciate your un-filtered madness
Maybe if I auto-tuned and slickened up my approach you'd like it better.
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Greg_L
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You also have to seperate your fanboi lust for this band from your thought process.
For example, I freaking LOVE the Ramones first album. Love it. It's perfect to me. But there's no way in hell I'd suggest that it's production is the standard by which all other punk albums should be measured. That's just silly.
GuitardedMark
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Calm down. I didn't say it had no bottom end. I said it is kind of light in the bottom end for something that's supposed to be "heavy" and aggressive. Big difference. Chibi Nappa already pointed out what makes this mix sterile and uninteresting. I agree with him. I hate to play the vinyl card, but I remember listening to records. They didn't sound like this. And I'm totally not an analog snob. I love digital recording. I guess, off the top of my head, Green Day's "American Idiot" album is a pretty good example of a modern slick production that has a pretty big bottom end. Listen to the kick and bass. They're pretty big yet not muddy.
As far as me being too harsh, negative, or not helpful enough for you, put me on ignore. I don't give a shit.
Right on! I didn't have the pleasure to listen to a lot of vinyl so my ears are probably not as experienced as most of yours. Thanks for the Green Day reference. Ill check that out!
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Chibi Nappa
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Well, yeah. "Big" is a combination of a large powerful sound and the emotion behind it (and probably several other things). So you certainly don't want to ditch the sonics and careful studio production. It's just that you also don't want to kill the human behind the performance in a Protools editing frenzy while trying to make those sonics larger.You also have to seperate your fanboi lust for this band from your thought process.
For example, I freaking LOVE the Ramones first album. Love it. It's perfect to me. But there's no way in hell I'd suggest that it's production is the standard by which all other punk albums should be measured. That's just silly.
GuitardedMark
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LOL! To me the "Killswitch sound" is 10000x better than any Creed, Alterbridge, or Nickelback sound I've heard. How much have you trained your ear for this style of music, because this is like comparing dark side of the moon to a Nirvana album...
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Greg_L
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That's because you're a typical blind fanboi. I'm not a fan of any of those bands, so I can easily hear the similarities in production. Not the music, the production.
GuitardedMark
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I agree! To me this sounds pretty brutal but mainly its the huge powerful sound that I like.
As far as anger, listen to The Agony Scene's The Darkest Red album. Primarily the songs "suffer" and "scapegoat". That is BR00TALZ!!!!
GuitardedMark
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Good one
GuitardedMark
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Maybe if I auto-tuned and slickened up my approach you'd like it better.
Although I don't hear any auto-tuning. Do you really think they auto-tuned his this?
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Greg_L
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I don't know. I'm gonna assume that anything this sterile and commerically polished has had literally everything done to it in the studio.
GuitardedMark
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Well for one, I'm not a fanboi and second I do see the similarities in the production but I ALSO see the differences in the production and I hear a lot of big differences.
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Greg_L
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Lol. Okay then. Your ear is finely tuned to the nuances of modern radio rock production. So what's the point of this thread again?