Making High Gain Guitar Tone Sound Better...

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YEAH, you're back. Awesome bro. Can't wait for more info SIKKKKKKKKKKK!
 
Wow i must have missed this thread!
I think you guys should take up what is really "needed" for a good distortion sound..
I have tried Guitar rig 2 now for somedays and no matter how i do it still ends up sounding like a amateur...Some insight on what "common" settings for heavy metal guitar tone is would be cool...If those myths like "scoop the mids" is true and balblbal..
Thanks!
 
Sonixx said:
There's been several posts lately about thickening the guitar tone from High Gain Amps post tracking.

The recommendations are all over the board and I generally view these as work arounds:

* Turn the Gain Down because too much gain is thin... yeah too much is but turning it down may also be a work around. find the correct gain amount (which may be significant) for the song context
* Quad Track it (Good but can be difficult to get tight... player skill dependent)
* Delay one side (sort of cool but definitely a work around for this purpose)

There's others that I don't recall right now

Here's a Demo clip with the Raw reamped gtr tracks (one gtr per side) followed by the same track with some EQ (Boosting the parts that sound good and notching the part that does not sound good to me), taming the bottom and plus what is considered a must in the Digital world... Saturation. But, just the right amount. This makes a tremendous difference.

Also, note that the EQ, etc is done outside the framework of mixing the actual song so the outcome during mixing would probably be different.

Take a listen... to me there's no comparison.

Before and After Clip

If there's interest I'll be glad to discuss.
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The tone sounds cool.
But it sounds pretty procesesd. Was that a real amp you used or was it a Vamp?

Eck
 
Sonixx said:
Over some time, I'll touch on these with Audio and Visual examples

1. Taming/Tightening the Bottom
2. EQing the - Bringing out the good frequencies and killing the bad. Yes there are the good and bad frequencies.
3. Adding Saturation - a very small dose goes a long ways
4. Compression - for frequency enhancement.
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Wow, your guitar tone sounds pretty damn good (according to clips :p) I'm pretty happy with how my guitars sound, but they're not as good as yours for sure :/

*edit: kinda wish I could hear the hammerfall songs with real drums, but hey it's a guitar demo :p

*edit 2: that singer's pretty damn good too!
 
ecktronic said:
... But it sounds pretty procesesd. Was that a real amp you used or was it a Vamp?
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oh... oh... a dagger thru the heart... :eek:

Not sure if your comment is a compliment or not... :confused: :D but I'll take it as one. :cool:

I don't have any modelers except the SVX Bass Amp plug-in... only the real deal
 
steve.h said:
Wow, your guitar tone sounds pretty damn good (according to clips :p) I'm pretty happy with how my guitars sound, but they're not as good as yours for sure :/

*edit: kinda wish I could hear the hammerfall songs with real drums, but hey it's a guitar demo :p

*edit 2: that singer's pretty damn good too!
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thanks for taking a listen...

I'm guessing you're referring to my Hammerfall Reamps and mixes in my sig... I'm not sure about your Hammerfall drum comment... those are real drums. the stems are posted and available for anyone... check HERE. I do believe some of the tracks have been processed though.

If you stay tuned, hopefully you'll get a nugget here or there that will help.
 
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Sonixx said:
oh... oh... a dagger thru the heart... :eek:

Not sure if your comment is a compliment or not... :confused: :D but I'll take it as one. :cool:

I don't have any modelers except the SVX Bass Amp plug-in... only the real deal
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Oopsy.
Sorry Sonixx.
What distortion are you using?

Eck
 
Yes.
Or are you using amp distortion or both?

Eck
 
Sonixx said:
...I'm not sure about your Hammerfall drum comment... those are real drums...
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Really?! They sound so... thin don't they? It might just be the style or something, but to my ears they sound almost like midi drums. Especially that snare.

Weird!
 
Jamz0r said:
He probably EQed the drums while soloing the track...LOL

:D
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Whats wrong with that?
I solo each channel seperately to get a starting point for EQ and compression.
Then I tweak the EQ and compression in the mix for each track until im happy with it.

Eck
 
I dont think anything sounds bad about that guitar.

Seems to me that you could eq some low end if you wanted by adding it into the mix with a good bass sound and kick drum and it should be heavy.

I'd say your years ahead of the thin sounds most people have problems with on this board.
 
ecktronic said:
Yes.
Or are you using amp distortion or both?

Eck
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no distortion pedal... all amp.

I do run an OD up front, generally 0db level with the OD set to min. I have three gotos: TS-9, OD808 and SD-1... usually in that order.
 
Cool.
You could try not using the amp distortion and using pedal distortion and see what you can get from that.

Eck
 
ecktronic said:
Cool.
You could try not using the amp distortion and using pedal distortion and see what you can get from that.

Eck
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Why on Earth would you want to do that? :confused:


Sonixx, that guitar tone is great as usual.

I've recently made a big improvement with my own high gain stuff by switching to Vintage 30's. I always underestimated the difference it would make. ;)
 
You know, that thought has crossed my mind lately. I am curious exactly how much difference in recorded tone the speakers in a 4x12 cab make, all else being equal. That is something I haven't really experimented with.

metalhead28 said:
I've recently made a big improvement with my own high gain stuff by switching to Vintage 30's. I always underestimated the difference it would make. ;)
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amra said:
You know, that thought has crossed my mind lately. I am curious exactly how much difference in recorded tone the speakers in a 4x12 cab make, all else being equal. That is something I haven't really experimented with.
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I switched from Celestion G12T-75's to Vintage 30's and it cleaned up the high end alot (less fizz) and also gave it a stronger feeling in the upper mids. It got me alot closer to the tone I was always looking for.
 
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