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xstatic
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You sure its a "Folio" with 20 channels and 4 busses? That does not sound like a Folio to me.
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tallman
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Mackie is not my favorite pick for ANYTHING -- recording, live or -- um -- other. For any given mackie board, there is a competing board from another manufacturer that is either better sounding, or less expensive with the same features.
Soundcraft? Well, that's what I voted for, but you've got to understand there's a wide variety of sound in soundcraft. If you're talking about their budget consoles.. well.. they beat a mackie. If you have a few more $$ to spend, get a used K2. The pre's sound great, the EQ's are predictable and fairly powerful. 8 groups, and every channel has switchable phantom, a pad, a phase reverse, sweepable hi-pass filter, hi/low shelving eq, 2 overlapping sweepable mids with switchable q factor, inserts, direct outs, LED metering (probably 10 segments or so), 8 aux groups, and routing to any group pair or pairs. Haven't found anything that isn't a pleasure to mix on a soundcraft K2.
Midas gets strong reccommendations from some of my collegues, and with my limited midas experience, I have to agree, but I don't know what kind of price-range you're looking at for those puppies. Very forgiving EQ on the midas from what I can tell, but I've only worked with it in very bright rooms.
Soundcraft? Well, that's what I voted for, but you've got to understand there's a wide variety of sound in soundcraft. If you're talking about their budget consoles.. well.. they beat a mackie. If you have a few more $$ to spend, get a used K2. The pre's sound great, the EQ's are predictable and fairly powerful. 8 groups, and every channel has switchable phantom, a pad, a phase reverse, sweepable hi-pass filter, hi/low shelving eq, 2 overlapping sweepable mids with switchable q factor, inserts, direct outs, LED metering (probably 10 segments or so), 8 aux groups, and routing to any group pair or pairs. Haven't found anything that isn't a pleasure to mix on a soundcraft K2.
Midas gets strong reccommendations from some of my collegues, and with my limited midas experience, I have to agree, but I don't know what kind of price-range you're looking at for those puppies. Very forgiving EQ on the midas from what I can tell, but I've only worked with it in very bright rooms.
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xstatic
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Tallman is right. There is a huge difference in sound throughout the various Soundcraft line. From my use, the K2 is a decent board, but the MH and series 5's sound much better. However, I have used LOTS of Soundcraft and Midas consoles. In my opinion, the $4000 Miads Venice actually sounds much better than even the full on $50000 Soundcraft series 5. Then again, the series 5 offers WAY more options than a Venice, as well as twice as many channels (and more). I will take a Midas any day over a Soundcraft, but I would also never worry about haveing to mix on any Soundcraft from the K2 line, the MH line or the SeriesX line.
Tallman, get yourself on more Midas consoles if you get the chance. The XL4 and Heritage lines and even the new Verona's are an analog large format FOH console dream to work on
Tallman, get yourself on more Midas consoles if you get the chance. The XL4 and Heritage lines and even the new Verona's are an analog large format FOH console dream to work on
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tallman
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I've worked on the venice, and it was a pretty capable console for its size. I wish I could have compared it to the K2 in the same room, but I haven't had that opportunity. On the general advice I've been hearing, and my limited experience with Midas, I think I'll reccomend a Midas next time someone asks me what console to buy for their club.
Thanks for the tip.
Thanks for the tip.
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xstatic
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Just be careful if you are reccomending a Venice. They sound AMAZING. However, they are limited in their feature set compared to many other consoles in the pro arena.
Stefan Elmblad
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charger said:
I agree with that and I love mine too.
MX3282
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"The Ghost"
I think I just read through "all" of these postings regarding mixers. Did I remember everything? Not! But what I do like the sound of "The Ghost". I sounded like it got pretty favourable reviews in here and I always thought the "Mackie" was "THE" board to have...wrong again.
Right now I'm using a Behringer MX3282A. A good board for beginners like me and for for doing small outdoor venues. Although I haven't quite figured out why it kept cutting out ever now and again. Oh well, we got through the weekend with it.
I just have one questio for the Canadaians in here.
Q: How much is "The Ghost (24-8)" going for here in Canada?
I'm thinking very seriously about adopting one for myself.
Does anyone recommend finacing one of these puppies? (Thats two questions...geesh)
I think I just read through "all" of these postings regarding mixers. Did I remember everything? Not! But what I do like the sound of "The Ghost". I sounded like it got pretty favourable reviews in here and I always thought the "Mackie" was "THE" board to have...wrong again.
Right now I'm using a Behringer MX3282A. A good board for beginners like me and for for doing small outdoor venues. Although I haven't quite figured out why it kept cutting out ever now and again. Oh well, we got through the weekend with it.
I just have one questio for the Canadaians in here.
Q: How much is "The Ghost (24-8)" going for here in Canada?
I'm thinking very seriously about adopting one for myself.
Does anyone recommend finacing one of these puppies? (Thats two questions...geesh)
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Thorguitarist
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I like my Behringer 2442FX Eurorack...Good Bang for the buck.
Stefan Elmblad
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MX3282 said:
The Ghost is a very nice console, and moving from the behringer you will notice a huge, huge improvement. I mean huge.
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Thorguitarist
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How much do those run
NL5
Unpossible!
Thorguitarist said:
A 24/8 LE is about 6k with meterbridge new - I got mine used (looks/works like new) for $2500.
Fantastic sound.
MX3282
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Ghost 24/8 and 32/8 prices
I just got a quote on a Ghost 24/8 w/meter bridge and dust cover from Music Stop. Nova Scoti, Canada. They want $7999.00 CDN.
I got a quote for the 32/8 w/meter bridge and dust cover. They want $8909 CDN for the Ghost.
How much are the two boards mentioned above goin for in Maine?
I might go shopping there if it'll save me some money. I'm not sure what the cash conversion will be. They might get me on that, and also the border charges cause the Ghost is manufactured in Europe.
I just got a quote on a Ghost 24/8 w/meter bridge and dust cover from Music Stop. Nova Scoti, Canada. They want $7999.00 CDN.
I got a quote for the 32/8 w/meter bridge and dust cover. They want $8909 CDN for the Ghost.
How much are the two boards mentioned above goin for in Maine?
I might go shopping there if it'll save me some money. I'm not sure what the cash conversion will be. They might get me on that, and also the border charges cause the Ghost is manufactured in Europe.
thane1200
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I voted Soundcraft. I've used Mackie for PAs and liked them alot, but I think Soundcraft beats them for studio and recording use.
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xstatic
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There is a ghost 24/8 LE in the for sale section right now by Darnold. I can vouch for the console and him since I have actually been up to his place and worked on that actual console. I am not sure what the current asking price is but I know it isn't more than like $3000.
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Mr Nice
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tubedude said:
I have to slightly disagree with you here, I have a 24x8 Mackie and I just recently had 20 channels loaded with hot signals spread on 4 busses and not even a hint of headroom loss.
In fact all the channels sounded clear, legible and maintained their sonic integrity as all 20 channels were loaded up. I am confident that if I added more input signals to the residual 4 channels and routed them onto the remainin busses, I doubt I would even then lose headroom.
Jburn34
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Soundcraft Ghost Baby!
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slootsky
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Maybe it could be better to start a new thread about it, but anyway...
does it make sense to think about changing a mackie VLZ pro 1202 for
soundcraft M8 just because of it's slightly better overall sound quality?
I must say, I'm a bit bored of that mackie "dry" and "thin' sound. The main tasks of mini-mixer for me is monitoring and mixing audio from DAW and some hardware synths. Or there is no chance to hear any noticable improvement until I buy something from the range of er... more hi-end summing devices like SPL or CRANE SONG or something?
Thanks
does it make sense to think about changing a mackie VLZ pro 1202 for
soundcraft M8 just because of it's slightly better overall sound quality?
I must say, I'm a bit bored of that mackie "dry" and "thin' sound. The main tasks of mini-mixer for me is monitoring and mixing audio from DAW and some hardware synths. Or there is no chance to hear any noticable improvement until I buy something from the range of er... more hi-end summing devices like SPL or CRANE SONG or something?
Thanks
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africanhilbilly
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So Say Something....!!!
Okay, so we've had a lot of people take part in this survey and the majority voted for Soundcraft over Mackie....then how come nobody seems to have any experience in Soundcraft mixers??????
If you do, please shoot me a reply on the thread titled "Overhauling Soundcraft".....
thanks
AfricanHillbilly....
Okay, so we've had a lot of people take part in this survey and the majority voted for Soundcraft over Mackie....then how come nobody seems to have any experience in Soundcraft mixers??????
If you do, please shoot me a reply on the thread titled "Overhauling Soundcraft".....
thanks
AfricanHillbilly....
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analogfreak
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effects in the mixing chain
This is an intriguing question. I was told on the yahoo groups pro audio forum recently (within the past year) that, generally speaking, in the US, effects tend to be done in the mixdown and later procedures, whereas in Europe, it generally is preferable to employ as many of the necessary effects as possible (compression, reverb, etc.) in the initial recording to tape or DAT or whatever.
The reason this was pointed out to me is that I mentioned I was recording trumpet, woodwinds, bass, and even percussion with slight optical compression and reverb directly to tape (through Mackie 1202 VLZ Pro, to Tascam 112 MkII), and the "mixdown" was really something like "mastering," or simply transferring the analogue 2-track to CD. This has worked beautifully for me.
Any comments?
Cheers, M.
http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net
Paul881 said:
This is an intriguing question. I was told on the yahoo groups pro audio forum recently (within the past year) that, generally speaking, in the US, effects tend to be done in the mixdown and later procedures, whereas in Europe, it generally is preferable to employ as many of the necessary effects as possible (compression, reverb, etc.) in the initial recording to tape or DAT or whatever.
The reason this was pointed out to me is that I mentioned I was recording trumpet, woodwinds, bass, and even percussion with slight optical compression and reverb directly to tape (through Mackie 1202 VLZ Pro, to Tascam 112 MkII), and the "mixdown" was really something like "mastering," or simply transferring the analogue 2-track to CD. This has worked beautifully for me.
Any comments?
Cheers, M.
http://www.ambientjazzduo.8m.net
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cafr
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the board saved me
Up until this past weekend, I forgot all about the Soundcraft boards. I am in the market to get a mixer for radio broadcasting that I'd like to do as well as general music recording. I was pondering the Mackie blah blah 1604 board for my needs but upon realization, this is just too many channels and apparently not too excellent. I went to Soundcraft's website to look at the M series, specifically the m12. If I read the specs right, the M series can do +12dBu while mackie is at +4dBu. I imagine this could have some benefits by not limiting you. I admit, reading the Mackie manuals is kinda fun just because its not taken too seriously. Like they use “wall wart”.
I have not completely set myself on the m12 but I am happy to have re-learned about this board from you guys.
Thank you for not being so typical and recommending exactly what stores sell. You tell people to get what they need and can work with.
Up until this past weekend, I forgot all about the Soundcraft boards. I am in the market to get a mixer for radio broadcasting that I'd like to do as well as general music recording. I was pondering the Mackie blah blah 1604 board for my needs but upon realization, this is just too many channels and apparently not too excellent. I went to Soundcraft's website to look at the M series, specifically the m12. If I read the specs right, the M series can do +12dBu while mackie is at +4dBu. I imagine this could have some benefits by not limiting you. I admit, reading the Mackie manuals is kinda fun just because its not taken too seriously. Like they use “wall wart”.
I have not completely set myself on the m12 but I am happy to have re-learned about this board from you guys.
Thank you for not being so typical and recommending exactly what stores sell. You tell people to get what they need and can work with.