Mackie 1642vlz

[misscc803]

Does ne body use this mixer? Just curious as to how the 8 direct outs work out. Like say i wanted to mix some sounds from a keyboard i have connected to the mixer then once i have it mixed like i want on there i want to send the sounds to my computer for further editing. Will it work like that if i also have a sound card that has 8 inputs? So basically i will have 8 sounds being recorded at once? Let me know.

Thanks
Nicole

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Just curious as to how the 8 direct outs work out. Like say i wanted to mix some sounds from a keyboard i have connected to the mixer then once i have it mixed like i want on there i want to send the sounds to my computer for further editing. Will it work like that if i also have a sound card that has 8 inputs? So basically i will have 8 sounds being recorded at once? Let me know.

Yes, that is a common way to use the direct outs, however, it's more often only necessary to use the mixer in such a setup if one needed to use it for it's microphone preamps or actually needed to create s submix before going into the computer. An example of the later would be if one is doing a live recording taking in on mor ethan 8 channels but can only record 8 tracks at a time, they might submix the drums and maybe the backup vocals in order to reduce the number of trarecordable tracks to 8.

But if you're doing only keyboards you don't need that many mic preamps, and you may not need more than 8 channels sumultaneously. In such a case you could probably bypass the mixer altogether, running the keys (and even a vocal or two if you like) directly to the computer interface and do all the mixing in the computer at your leeisure.

G.

 

[travelin travis]

For what you would spend on an ok 8 channel setup, you could put together a pretty decent 2 channel setup. how many inputs and outputs do you need simultaneously?

with the 8 direct outs from the mixer and an 8 input sound card, yes, you can record 8 tracks at once. how many hands do you have? if this rig is just for your personal use, i'd put together a good 2 input setup. if you're going to be recording bands or a drum kit, you might need 8 inputs.

 

[misscc803]

Ok thanks for the input i see what guys are saying. But i have alot of music to track out along with vocals. I was just doing some research on different things. You know how it is when u want to change your setup around a little.

Thanks
Nicole

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

But i have alot of music to track out along with vocals...I was just doing some research on different things.

Nicole,

You might want to start with on your research is the basic vocabulary of this racket. What works with da boyz has no meaning here. "I have a lot of music to track out" explains nothing. (I'd also drop the false hop slang definition of "producer" too, but that's another story.)

Then from there you can study up and find out just how many simultaneous input channels you're going to need if you are actually going to be mixing your seperate tracks together in the box.

Sequencing keyboards and drum machines, recording those sequences and mixing those sequences together doesn't require a lot of gear, quite frankly. I'd agree with Travis that the chances are as good as not that you really don't need a mixer or 8 full channels of input into your computer.

G.

 

[Hi_D_Ho_Man]

Come on man

Nicole,

You might want to start with on your research is the basic vocabulary of this racket. What works with da boyz has no meaning here. "I have a lot of music to track out" explains nothing. (I'd also drop the false hop slang definition of "producer" too, but that's another story.)

Then from there you can study up and find out just how many simultaneous input channels you're going to need if you are actually going to be mixing your seperate tracks together in the box.


G.

You must have some kind of Jekyl and Hyde syndrome. You just went from being helpful to being a dickhead to helpful again. What's your MF issue?

She was merely saying she has quite few instruments she wants to record (track) simutaneously. Sometimes hip hop, techno, trance producers (like it or not),or other electronic musicians will create their midi sequences and save recording the audio for last or until they need to use a particular synth's output for different part of the composition.

There was no slang used in anything she typed except for "Does ne body use this mixer?"

I don't intend to make an issue of this, but since 2001 when I first registered here anytime one of the DJ/Hip Hop Forum regulars steps out of our little corner to ask for help, more than half of those threads end up with some sort of attack or another.

To those of you who don't come down on us this way, I apologize for disturbing the peace.

Also I thank those who do help out. (Blue Bear and chessrock come to mind,but i know there are lots more)

 

[Hi_D_Ho_Man]

Depending on what you're trying to do, buy the 1642 maybe a bit of a waste of $ due to it may not be necessary as already posted.

I plan on getting the Mackie 1604 or something similar to mainly do 2 things

1.Send the 8 outs of my MPC >>mixer eq and fader to shape sound and control levels >>direct outs to interface... In this case its not just a useless pass thru of the signal.

2.The Last 8 channels are to subgroup yet more syths


There will also be a couple patchbays to as i have way more synth main and sub outputs than i have interface inputs. I basically want to have access to any one of these when i need.

 

[mixsit]

... i wanted to mix some sounds from a keyboard ...then once i have it mixed ...send the sounds to my computer for further editing.

The D/O's are only single ch. outs not 'mix' outs. The stereo master or sub group outs would have the mixes on them. So both options are there.
Wayne

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

There was no slang used in anything she typed

I have no issues. I'm trying to help the gal out buy saying that the best way to get good answers is to ask good questions and use the proper vocabulary of the industry. That was meant as constructive.

I suggest you buy a dictionary or a professional audio engineering refrence manual and look up the word "producer" and just what it means. Anytime a wannabe hip hopper comes on and says "I'm a producer" when what they really mean is "I'm a sound designer" or even "I'm a sequencer", they are using an improper slang term which degrades the level of understanding in both directions. It's not picking on hip hop or it's artists per se, it's just that of all the dozens of genres of music that are out there, the hip hop community is the only one that uses such slang and false definitions. If a country artist came on here that played steel guitar riffs or a folk singer that played a little harmonica accompanyment, and they called themself a "producer", I'd call them to the carpet on it too.

The thread was at the point where Travis and I were trying to determine if she needed 8 simultaneous input tracks or whther she just needed to mix 8 recorded tracks. Her response was, "i have alot of music to track out along with vocals". That doesn't mean anything! That doesn't describe her situation and her needs any more than "I have a lot of hot dogs" does. Seriously. All I was trying to advise her was, "Girl, you gotta do a bit more technical and accurate job of describing yourself and your situation if you want to get a truely useful answer from folks. This business requires specifics and requires a specific language."

That's not being a dickhead, my friend, that's just being honest. If honesty is not helpful, then get your help form someone other than chessrock or Blue Bear, who are usually far less diplomatic and far more brutal in their honesty than I was here.

G.

 

[Hi_D_Ho_Man]

My guess is neither of us know anything about her personally or professionally and cannot whether she's a professional audio engineering refrence manual definition producer or not. She may very well be. Not a pro i'd guess from the question she asked but thats a guess.

If you didn't understand her question or need more info, just say so. I've seen hundred of threads with badly asked questions without the mildly rude comment. Come on the made the comment about "da boyz" then immediately when into you rant about hip hops usage of the word producer. All I'm trying to say is those comments in particular had nothing to do with anything that was going on at the time.

As far being "technical and accurate" this is a forum of leisure not an audio engineering class. Non technical and inaccurate thing fly all across every single forum on this board.

As far as the use of the word "producer" just think of it as the latest hip hop slang, maybe then it wont bother you so much.

I give u tons of credit for trying to help cuz out of about 85 views your are one one the few who even bothered. I meant no foul its just that those 2 comments bothered me because i didn't and still don't see where they were necessary

Hopefully we're cool you and me.

BTW your compression tutorial looks good, i'll have to check it out.

 

[misscc803]

Actually i was asking this just for reference in my research i know alot more than u probally think i know and I never even said ne thing about being a producer. I dont give a fuck if u dont like how i talk sounds like a fucking racists to me. But u just lost all respect from me. I know now not to ask ne damn thing on this board i'll just help out those i can help out.

Nicole

 

[Hi_D_Ho_Man]

No don't take it like that. I don't think it was racist at all. It was probably more of a "not too fond of hip hop" kind of thing which is pretty popular on alot of the boards on the net. But again it probably wasn't that either.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

No it was not racist at all. Thare are plenty of hip-hoppers of every race creed or color who misuse the terminology and do nothing but cause the kind of confusion that results in threads like this one. Last fall I did a CD for a Russian hip hop group, for goodness sake. Race has nothing to do with it unless/until you accuse me of being racist just because I'm white and I'm not black. That is wrong and uncalled for.

As far as not saying anything about "producer", miss, take a look at your custom user title that appears at the top of every one of your posts.

And Hi, the very fact that she's asking the question she's asking indicates what she means by "producer" and that it's not the traditional definition. Any actual music producer (the definition used by the entire music community except for hip hop) would not even have to ask a question about simple channel routing and track layout on a small entry-level mixer. That would be tantamount to a professional mathematician asking someone to help them fill in the multiplication tables.

I don't mean that in a negative way. I'm just saying that is how I know that she is not an actual producer, but really someone who writes and records single-measure riffs on keyboards for later use in a hip hop production. She is an artist, a sound designer, a sequencer, a performer, but she is not a producer in any world or any language outside of the insular hip hop community.

And when someone starts talking about multi-track recording, stacking of tracks with compression and side-chaining and so on (which is all commonplance on this board and in hip hop production in general), you bet your Kurzweil this is a technical discussion and a techincal forum that requires using a common technical language, whether it's a lazy laid-back conversation or an intense technical debate. This is a technical subject, like it or not, regardless of whethe one is approaching it as a hobby or as a business.

But jeez, to be called a dickhead and a racist all in one day just for pointing that out is a bit harsh, don't you think?

G.

 

[misscc803]

Dude i dont want to hear what u have to say. I can put whateva da fuck i want put, say what i want to say i dont give a fuck. Dont make me turn this into a personal thing cause it aint a problem. All i gotta say is u fucked wit da wrong person on da wrong day. Dont say shit else to me.

Nicole

 

[LeeRosario]

wow...that got ugly really fast.


But I guess to get back into the flow of Nicole's concern about the mixer, it looks like it was answered.

Nicole, you mentioned you had 8 inputs to work with at the interface. Then the mackie gives you the same amount of 1/4 inch out (for the busses). They would be numbered appropiately 1-8 on the back of the board. Not too hard on that.

So I guess really the next question is if the amount of tracks you're planning on tracking at the same time exceeds the maximum of 8 channels that you have. If it does, then you'd have to work out a way to overdub your lead and non base stuff.

Could you elaborate on what equipment you're working with currently?

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Dude i dont want to hear what u have to say. I can put whateva da fuck i want put, say what i want to say i dont give a fuck. Dont make me turn this into a personal thing cause it aint a problem. All i gotta say is u fucked wit da wrong person on da wrong day. Dont say shit else to me.

NOW you sound like a real producer!

G.

 

[misscc803]

I appreciate all who did respond but dont worry about the question just forget I ever asked it.

Nicole