m/s mixing

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Is it a good or bad idea to put mid/side style panning over an entire mix?
Would it make the whole mix sound better sound better?
Or is the m/s method something that should be only used on individual
tracks? Also are there any good examples you could recommend where people have used m/s?

Any any recomendations for free m/s pulgins? (free if pos!)

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There are very few things that you can do to any and all mixes that will make them sound better.

First of all, you have to define "better". Most of the time, if you want the mix to sound better, you need to go and remix it.

As with almost everything in audio, you need to listen to what you have, imagine what you want it to be, then employ the techniques necessary to turn what you have into what you want it to be. There are not any magic bullets or things that are done to every mix that just make them good sounding.
 
Hi mate
The only time I have used MS separation across an entire mix was for mastering a track on a friend of a friend's homemade EP.
I felt that there was very little stereo spread in the mix so I brought up the level of the stereo vocal reverb which was really the only info in the difference channel.

Dags
 
Yeah, M/S is generally,but not always used in mastering (processing) and when capturing an M/S microphone pair in a stereo recording.

It's just another tool amongst many. I've experimented with compressing and EQing the mid signal while keeping the sides untouched. I've done visa versa. It all depends what you're doing it for.

It's interesting, however, to listen to a mix with an M/S solo plugin. It can reveal lots about a mix. For instance, listen to Muse's song "Uprising" and solo the sides. You can totally here where Mike Stent panned certain elements and it also makes you realise how much mono information is actually in the mix.

Cheers :)
 
So, what exactly is M-S "panning" as opposed to simply manipulating the stereo width? I am quite familiar with M-S mic technique and M-S processing but have never heard of M-S panning.
 
Without recording something with a M/S mic arrangement, I'm unclear how you would do this or even what it means. How do you pan something M/S style when you don't have M/S recorded tracks to begin with.

I'm confused.
 
bouldersoundguy said:
So, what exactly is M-S "panning" as opposed to simply manipulating the stereo width? I am quite familiar with M-S mic technique and M-S processing but have never heard of M-S panning.
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I assumed a complete misunderstanding of what M/S is, because of the way the question was worded. However, this same person asked a question about the Haas effect on another forum with the exact same wording except 'haas effect' replaced 'm/s technique'. It's a bit strange because if you understood what either of these things were, your first thought wouldn't be to apply either of them to a mix.
 
TripleM said:
Without recording something with a M/S mic arrangement, I'm unclear how you would do this or even what it means. How do you pan something M/S style when you don't have M/S recorded tracks to begin with.

I'm confused.
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There are plugins and hardware devices that can split a stereo signal into mid and side information. From there, you can process each individually and then reconstruct the stereo image from them.
 
Farview said:
I assumed a complete misunderstanding of what M/S is, because of the way the question was worded. However, this same person asked a question about the Haas effect on another forum with the exact same wording except 'haas effect' replaced 'm/s technique'. It's a bit strange because if you understood what either of these things were, your first thought wouldn't be to apply either of them to a mix.
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It sounds like spamming software that can somewhat identify the subject of a forum and assemble relevant bits of text into a facsimile of a real post, sprinkling keywords here and there to fool the humans into reading the post all the way down to a spam link in the sig line. Which is why newbies can't post links.
 
Very astute and completey wrong. I just asked a question. Simplez
 
Then what is this M-S panning you're talking about? Is there a specific problem you're trying to fix?
 
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