Low Cut on My Preamp

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drstawl said:
1/8" miniplugs are NOT balanced. The stripes that match a "balanced" plug are for left and right channels and ground.

So why not just get a regular old twin-1/4" TS Y-ed to 1/8" stereo miniplug? You're defeating the balancing anyway going thru the miniplug.

Hmmm. Let's see here . . . so Left, Right, and Ground is somehow not balanced ? ? ? :D :D

He is right about the the defeating of the balanced thing by going through the miniplug and whatnot. 1/4" TS Y-ed to 1/8" stereo is the way to go.
 
Chris, "TS" is tip-sleeve, having only 2 points of contact, as in a guitar cable (most of them, anyway). "TRS" is tip-ring-sleeve, with 3 points of contact, what is commonly thought of as a stereo plug.
Of course, it could be used that way, but has more common studio applications. You could use it for unbalanced inserts, where you basically have 2 signals going in 2 directions, as a send and return. Or it can send one "balanced" signal, which goes into electronic technobabble land involving 2 signals with reversed phase cancelling each other out and cancelling noise with them. The technogeeks here will clearly explain it until you get a headache. The thought here is that you need to unbalance your signal in order to split it for that miniplug. Therefore, they are recommending, I think, that you start with 2 TS plugs into the preamp, commonly called unbalanced cables.
I'm very techno-weak, so I won't go farther than that, lest I lead you into techno lala land. All I'm trying to do is make the parts of techno-speak that I do understand simpler, because that's the way I visualize them. It's tough being a hack. I know how to patch most stuff up intuitively, but real understanding of tech voodoo is presently beyond me. Hope that answered the small question, at least.-Richie
 
Guys, he already tried the standard 1/4 inch in the preamp and that did not work. He needs the jacks activated by using the TRS plugs in the preamp. At the other end he needs to get to unbalanced in the splitter to make it down to the 1/8 inch stereo jack for the sound card.

I don't know why I am stressing about this, it may not even work the way I described but it is the only possibility. Or, get a new soundcard with balanced rca jacks, like the Audiophile 24/96 or even the Delta 44 and the DMP3 connection will be solved.

I think you are out of luck though with that 1/8 inch plug. It just can't pass 2 balanced signals and is by nature an unbalanced stereo plug. The method I decribed, I was hoping would convince the DMP3 to pass the 2 balanced signals down the cable and strip them down to 2 unbalanced signals through the y adapter to the 1/8 inch stereo plug. Maybe I'm dreaming. Time for bed.
 
Middleman said:
Guys, he already tried the standard 1/4 inch in the preamp and that did not work.

I don't know why I am stressing about this,
Man, I really appreciate your "stressing" over this, b/c you're right. I already tried that.

It's the same thing, obviously, for one channel as it is when I'm trying both of them. For some reason, when I use a stereo adapter (1/8 in. female to 1/4 in. male, and run a cable from that adapter (1/8 in. on both ends) to the soundcard, it gets a great signal...I assume that the same will translate to a Y adapter.

I'm not confident that I can accurately purchase a Y adapter with TRS 1/4 in. jacks Y'd to an 1/8in. stereo plug, but I'm CERTAIN I can purchase another Stereo Adapter for the B channel, and a Y adapter with 1/8in. jacks on all 3 points.

And thanks for taking the time to try to educate me, Richard. I'm just so ignorant when it comes to grounding, etc. Don't even bother wasting any more time on me there. I've tried learning for years...I'm hopeless.

Thanks again for stressing
Chris
 
The dmp3 will be fine with unbalanced cords (TS) running out of the outputs. I do it all the time.

If you go here and scroll down, you'll notice model # 35-476 is pretty much exactly what you're looking at:

http://www.cablesandconnectors.com/01000-01.HTM


That's the only one I could find, online, oddly enough. If it doesn't work for you, I'll eat 12 turds.
 
chessrock said:
If it doesn't work for you, I'll eat 12 turds.
LOL..ummm... I don't really know how to tell you this, but... Well, would you like me to send you the turds, or can you make your own? :D :D :D

That's what I tried initially, and I think the problem is with the "mono" jacks, if I have even a hint of a clue.

If "mono" is synonymous with "TS," and "stereo" is synonymous with "TRS," then I need that adapter with TRS plugs on the 1/4 in. outputs.

I should add that I don't have an "official" manual for this pre-amp. I have this little thing that's more of a quick users' reference, but I found some language online that might help one of you tell me if i'm on the right track.

Balanced vs. Unbalanced Outputs
Using a TRS (tip-ring-sleeve, sometimes referred to as "stereo") plug on the 1/4" outputs of the DMP3 will give you a balanced line... Generally speaking, if the DMP3 outputs connect to a system that accepts a balanced line at +4db (nominal level) operating level, you should use TRS plugs on the outputs.

An unbalanced line on the DMP3 outputs connects to a 1/4'TS plug on a shielded cable with a single conductor, and is appropriate to use when your sound card accepts a 1/4" TS plug, RCA plug, or the right or left mono side of a stereo mini-plug."


Okay, the soundcard that I'm primarily going to be using this preamp with just has a regular, old fashioned 1/8" input for the line in, so I'm thinking I'm in the first category, right?

Right?
 
THE THRILLING CONCLUSION

In the final installment of "Days Of Our Dumbass," Chris purchased another TRS adapter (1/4 male to 1/8" female), and ran one line out of each output this way, to a miniplug.

It works like a charm. Of course, they don't make Y Splitters with TRS 1/4 in. tips, because it doesn't make sense to need a stereo jack for something that's gonna' carry a mono signal...LOL. But it's the only thing that'll work with this soundcard.

Anyway, it looks pretty ugly, but the Frankenchain works.

Thanks for putting up with me.

(oh, and Chessrock, I'm just gonna' assume you already took care of your turd eating responsibilities, and I'll never bring it up again. :D :D)

Seriously, thanks. I'll be back in another year or so...whenever i get a new piece of gear.
 
Congrats, glad it worked. I thought you could strip the signal from balanced to unbalanced but was not sure. Your final combo did not occur to me.

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Hey Chris,just my 1/1/2 cents.

A TRS cable can be a balanced or a stereo cable.
Not so with a stereo line input.
It's just 2 mono inputs combined in one.
TRS cables running a balanced signal are mono only,ment to be run into a balanced mono input.

In the case of a soundcard,it's probably running at -10 anyway,so a +4 balanced signal wouldn't show any improvement,might sound worse.

Did you try 2 TR cables into a dual mono female splitter with an 1/8" stereo male end into the soundcard?
I think thats what you might need.
You might have to watch for phasing problems though.

As far as the low cut filter,your pretty good a eq'ing man,I wouldn't engage it unless you heard any rumbling from your mics.
You have a 183 or a 185 right,sometimes I have to engage it with my 184.
It's pretty sensitive,sometimes picks up house rumbles.
I'd a/b it though.
The low cut is a fairly wide filter I think,might cut some stuff out you want.

Well that's my 1/1/2 anyway.

Man Chris,with the quality of your recordings,I figured you were an engineer at least,I AM depressed!haha

Pete
 
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