Live Recording - Best Practices

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I have been asked to record a live gig this upcoming Saturday night. It will be a coffee house setting. A solo artist singing and playing guitar (mostly blues). I am still fairly new to the whole recording process, having only recorded in my studio for about a year or so. I have never recorded a live gig.

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My Questions:
  • How do I go about setting up a Pro Tools (or any DAW) session for a live recording, when there is not a fixed tempo, time signature, etc.?
  • If I record at 44.1, how much hard drive space (approx) will I need for a 2 hour show?
  • Should I pause the recording between songs and/or during a break?
  • How much or little compression should I use on the vocal?
  • Should I use a DI as well as mic the amp, affording myself more options later during mixing?
  • Where should a room (ambient) mic be placed - on stage, in front of stage, back of venue?
 
What do you need tempo and time sigs set for? I NEVER set that stuff, I just fire it up and hit record..

Calculate about 10 megs per track minute at 44.1/24. 120 minutes=1.2 gigs. per track. If youre tracking 16 tracks, you'll be in the 20 gb ballpark.

I wouldn't pause at all, I'd let it roll and cut out what I want later.. You never know what kinda funny clips you can get,

Track everything completely dry, you can add compression later. Most (all?) mixers have some method of getting a dry signal out, even if you're using inserts or integrated fx on the mixer. Let him monitor whatever he wants to hear, but record dry.

Sure, why not? If you have enough tracks available, and enough drive space, what's the difference... The worst you can do is mute the track entirely and ignore it.

Not sure about that last q, someone will prolly chime in.. If you have mics, tracks, and space, put a few out there and decide which to use later. I'd stick one out in the crowd somewhere to catch applause and cheering and whatnot, but I really don't know what's optimal regarding that..
 
Just hit the record button the DAW. Imagine there isn't a metronome there. Turn it off when you're mixing.

I think you'd be safe by setting aside 30 gigs of space for two hours of 44.1KHz uncompressed audio.

Personally, I would never pause between songs. Lots of cool crowd sounds you can pick up and speech from the performer. Very useful in creating a decent live disc.

I would say apply light compression on the vocals. Either that, or don't put down any compression and apply it later on during mixing.

Mic AND DI the instruments. MANY more mixing opportunities later.

Ambient mics sound good by putting three, IMO. One on the left, one in the middle, and one on the right of the stage.
 
How do I go about setting up a Pro Tools (or any DAW) session for a live recording, when there is not a fixed tempo, time signature, etc.?
Since you probably won't be needing/using a time grid for anything during mixing, you shouldn't even need to worry about those settings. Just record and let it fly.
If I record at 44.1, how much hard drive space (approx) will I need for a 2 hour show?
The general rule of thumb for 44.1k WAV is approximately 10MB per minute per track. Meaning that if you recorded 4 tracks that would be 40MB/min. Multiply that by 120 minutes, and you have 4800MB. Just to have a safety factor built in, round that up to 5GB. Of course if there's a set break or two in there, that'll shorten the time (see below.)
Should I pause the recording between songs and/or during a break?
Let it roll between songs. You can always edit out extra stuff between songs in post if you want.

Set breaks are a different story; no need to record those. Just make sure you don't stop recording until the artist actually puts his instrument down. And either start recording early, like when he first picks the instrument up. Or, arrange a signal between you two to make sure you guys are both ready for each other.
How much or little compression should I use on the vocal?
That totally depends on how the vocal sounds and how that differs from how you want it to sound. I'd recommend waiting until mixing to decide on that,and use compression or limiting only if the singer has lousy microphone technique and lousy voice control and you need to limit the signal to keep the signal level from going too high to fit without unpredictably clipping at uncontrolled points.
Should I use a DI as well as mic the amp, affording myself more options later during mixing?
As long as you have the gear and the extra recording channel to fit, there's not many good reasons not to give yourself that option. Go ahead.
Where should a room (ambient) mic be placed - on stage, in front of stage, back of venue?
You'll get enough room reflection in the stage mics to make it sound live enough. I'd skip the ambiance for now and concentrate on the audience applause. I'd stick a cardioid on stage side pointing back towards the audience. Then in post, I'd just bring it up during the applause and back down to the background or less during the songs. YMMV.

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I have been asked to record a live gig this upcoming Saturday night. It will be a coffee house setting. A solo artist singing and playing guitar (mostly blues). I am still fairly new to the whole recording process, having only recorded in my studio for about a year or so. I have never recorded a live gig.

My Gear:

My Questions:
  • How do I go about setting up a Pro Tools (or any DAW) session for a live recording, when there is not a fixed tempo, time signature, etc.?
  • If I record at 44.1, how much hard drive space (approx) will I need for a 2 hour show?
  • Should I pause the recording between songs and/or during a break?
  • How much or little compression should I use on the vocal?
  • Should I use a DI as well as mic the amp, affording myself more options later during mixing?
  • Where should a room (ambient) mic be placed - on stage, in front of stage, back of venue?


What I have done in the past is to spend the most of my setup time on getting the best drum and vocal sounds. I then mic and split the bass, keys, guitars into channels and run them direct to some other channels. I can then re-amp these later if the miced tracks sound sub-par. This is probably too much for you, but an idea non-the-less.
 
Thanks everyone for the suggestions and advice. I'm pretty excited about this whole thing. Perhaps I'll post one of the songs for initial feedback. Then post my mixed version some time later for further feedback. :)
 
I am NO expert on this... but my son is. When he recorded my now-defunct bluegrass band in a "live studio" setting, he placed a single SM58 way up high in the cathedral ceiling's peak, at the corner and behind the band, for ambiance. I listened to the raw tracks- that setting was killer.
 
I thought I would post an update regarding my gig last night. I learned several lessons about preparation.

First off, I was not able to record the show. Why? I had planned on getting there about 2 hours early to setup, but due to unexpected personal matters, I did not. I did arrive about 30 minutes early. First lesson learned, 30 minutes is just not enough time to get everything ready.

The artist had brought 1 acoustic guitar, and 2 electric guitars, along w/ 2 guitar amps. He had an SM57 on one amp, another amp was running line out, and the acoustic was running direct. I had not brought enough adapters, cables, etc. to handle the current setup. He originally discussed only a vocal mic and an electric guitar. Second lesson learned, prepare for the unexpected. Bring extra EVERYTHING. LOL

I was able to run his vocal through my pre, adding a touch of tube warmth. He liked that. The only issue I couldn't resolve in the live setup was an awful hum on the direct out amp channel. We just turned down the house volume, and turned up his stage volume. Not sure if it needed a ground lift or something? Overall it went well, just not how I had planned. :)
 
Yeah, thirty minutes is enough for solely a stereo pair with a soundcheck. NEVER show up for a live gig with less than 45 minutes to spare.

All I've been doing lately is live gigs and the only time I've showed up with less than an hour was the time I was supposed to have the night off, had a couple beers and gave my (newb) coworker a call to see if he was set up yet and he says, "Oh no, I forgot, I have this thing going on, can you cover for me?" I look at my phone and find out that it's 30 minutes til. Lucky for me it was one of the easy recordings I do. Set up a stereo pair, run cables, get a level check. I got it all taken care of in 15 minutes, but I never want to do that again!
 
Yeah, HOURS are needed before the show starts. Jackson Browne was wrong- 'tis the SOUND CREW that is the "first to come, and the last to leave." All the extra time needed- loading up at my house, loading in at the gig, set up, sound check, break down, load out, unloading at home, putting everything away- is why I stopped doing sound-and-equipment gigs. Some of those I got paid a whopping $200 to $250 for my time. I didn't EVEN want to figure out my hourly wage!
 
...All the extra time needed- loading up at my house, loading in at the gig, set up, sound check, break down, load out, unloading at home, putting everything away- is why I stopped doing sound-and-equipment gigs.
Yep, nothing like getting home at 3am after a long night of dealing with drunks and hearing the same damn band do the same damn 3 sets and telling the same damn between-song jokes that they've been doing for the past three years, only to have to unload all your gear again and put it away before you can hit the sack.

Yeah, 'tis a glamorous life being part of the music scene, isn't it? :rolleyes::D
 
....telling the same damn between-song jokes that they've been doing for the past three years....

LOL hahahaha yeah, I never noticed bands do that until I worked 2 metallica shows back to back 2 nights at the same venue (back when they were good). James jumped in the crowd and picked some random fan to sing along in his mic with him. He told the guy 'whooaa, you gotta brush your teeth buddy' or something similar, which I thought was hilarious the first time. The 2nd nite, same joke, and I thought 'gad, how uncreative can you be..'
 
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