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I've been working on reconstructing stereo images from mono takes in live shows, using some of the spectral tools in Adobe. Fun stuff. Here's an example. It's a live cover by the Dave Keller Trio during a concert on March 10th. I handled the live sound and captured one track from FOH mains with an AKAI DPS16 recorder; s/pdif to the DAW, tracked and rendered the project in Reaper, final work in Adobe Audition 2.0.

I've had some difficulty converting to .mp3 without picking up artifacts - I have to allow for heavy bass and odd reverby stuff. But this seems to be working.

Let me know your thoughts...

Dave Keller Trio; Teenie Weenie Bit of Your Love
 
Bumpitup...

This faded away with nary a whimper last week, but I'll bump it once and then leave it alone.

Here's what I'm trying to figure out, and I think I'm too close to the project to be sensible.

(1) given that this was tracked with a single mono track and (as a live performance) in one take, do you think the recording of it could be massaged to work for a live album, or are there just too many near misses to take this beyond study / demo territory?

(2) Does anyone have successful experience doing one track live recording that did escape the study / demo grade territory?

I guess I'm thinking that while this may not be the right track to set aside for a live album, it's pretty close and suggests to me that the theory of single track live recording might be worth pursuing. I'm finding that attempting multitrack - 8 to 12 tracks at once - recording during a live performance is unrealistic if I'm handling FOH too unless there are two of us watching levels and so forth..

What are yer thoughts?

Thanks!
 
No experience with live stuff, Glenn...but this doesn't sound bad at all. I'm sure that having decent musicianship is a great part of this...It sounds really good. I'd like to hear it at least 192K....seems that and above keeps the cymbals sounding better. These aren't bad, and maybe higher bitrate won't matter.

How was it recorded? Are you saying, one mic only? It may not have alot of seperation, but you can make out all the parts....and I think you could massage it some. Do you have a downloadeable version? I have a few plugins that might be able to expand it some....may not work, but I like messing with this stuff.
 
Treeline said:
This faded away with nary a whimper last week, but I'll bump it once and then leave it alone.

(1) given that this was tracked with a single mono track and (as a live performance) in one take, do you think the recording of it could be massaged to work for a live album, or are there just too many near misses to take this beyond study / demo territory?

I guess I'm thinking that while this may not be the right track to set aside for a live album, it's pretty close and suggests to me that the theory of single track live recording might be worth pursuing.
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Glen,

I think this is definitely a worthy track. All it needs IMHO is more bottom end i,e. adding another bass track.

I'm just saying...I like it! :)
 
Sounds good to me. Balanced, nice contrasts. Surprisingly wide sounding for a mono mix, heh, psychoacoustically anyway.
 
Glenn, I used a couple of plugs really quickly, and it seemed to fatten up right away.

Teenie

I think with a bit of real work, you could easily get the bottom end a bit better....I was afraid of making it too muddy. :D
 
Thanks guys - Nice work, Dogman... I think I can add quite a lot of low end but was having problems converting to .mp3 without having some of that added in. I think I was inadvertantly doubling some EQ or something. I'll go back into the skunkworks and see if I can eke out some more low end.

FYI, this was recorded in 24 bit at 44.1 kHz. If I clean up the disk I can try tracking at 48 or 88.2. Anything higher and I start losing resources and filling up the hard drive quickly.

I can also try doing stuff like tracking one mix track, two drum tracks panned hard R and L, and a couple of vocal tracks so I have more to work with without getting into the whole enchilada - Although I can do sixteen tracks at once, it takes all my attention and I'd let the FOH sound go to hell.

The stereo imaging is from cloning the track and eq'ing for particular instruments, then panning to fill in a wider field. It's pretty conservative panning at this point, but I can easily go wider.

Thanks again!
 
Treeline said:
I added a bit of low end and high sparkle..

Here ya go: (Mix #2) Teenie Weenie Bit of Your Love

Thanks!
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Winamp says 96K....and it sounds a bit thin Glenn. Can you do at least 128, or maybe even 192? I think the low bitrate is hurting this. I get the impression it's pretty full, when I pick out certain things, so would like to hear a better quality one.
 
Treeline said:
I went back and redid it at 192K; never realized I could control the bitstream rate when I copied the tune in the first place!


Here ya go, Bro: A Teenie Weenie Bit

And the download links are here:

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=1495&alid=900

Thanks, man.
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Much better at 192...seems to be pretty even now. For a live recording, it sounds good...I can make out all the parts, and they seem to have good space on my end. I think the performance really carries this...it's just well done.

:cool:
 
Sounds very cool.

Good preformance :cool:

I love live mixes :)

Btw very good vox sound on this :)
 
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