listening to hendrix

[Garry Sharp]

I have a good vinyl. I can't drop it to disc at present, but would be happy to send a cassette. You, too, Nick.

That's a very generous offer. Much appreciated. Sadly I have no means of playing a cassette. Good call though

 

[Garry Sharp]

Just had another look on Amazon, they have it through a third party. This link is from the UK site

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/detail/offer-listing/-/B000091F0J/all/202-7485996-7375847

Just ordered the new one at £14 rather than the used one at £34

 

[teainthesahara]

When I was a teenager (70's!) I had a vinyl LP called Hendrix In The West. I think it was the Isle of Wight recordings. It had a version of Little Wing on it which was jaw dropping. It seems it never made it to CD, unless any of you know better??? I'd pay a lot to hear that again.

When i was a teenager (90's), I had the the cassette release of Hendrix in the West. Yes, the version of Little Wing on that is so raw, and that slight pain you feel is that of your jaw when it hits the ground. Nick the man, are you a teen in the 20's? It's funny how this stuff just goes round and round...

 

[teainthesahara]

yeah i have the isle of wight on DVD and CD


i believe you are correct, there was two albums that came out in like the 70's after his death but in like 91 they combined the two and created the new rays of the rising sun

but man he is just incredable

Awhhh yeah...ok i remember now....I used to be way more up and together on my hendrix history! Rainbow Bridge, and the Cry of Love were put together for that CD. But not all of it made it on - so seek out the other two releases as well!

 

[teainthesahara]

That was an amazing version. Though I think on the West coast of the USA? I don't remember.

Everyone know "Three Little Bears" from War Heroes?

I have this great record called "Loose Ends", a bunch of random stuff. The highlight is him playing the rhythm guitar track for the song Electric Ladyland, unaccompanied, complete with Eddie Kramer asking him "What's it called, Jimi?". Unbelievable playing.

Man, i would love to hear what Jimmy is saying when they fade out his vocals half-way throught that tune! I think he was cussin' or something cause he was feeling silly! Mitch and Billy Cox play awesome on that track as well!

Anyone hear or have "Send my love to Linda"? I've only got a snippet of it, and it chills me when i hear it. It's got that 'quasi-90's grungy chord progression'...

 

[Nick The Man]

When i was a teenager (90's), I had the the cassette release of Hendrix in the West. Yes, the version of Little Wing on that is so raw, and that slight pain you feel is that of your jaw when it hits the ground. Nick the man, are you a teen in the 20's? It's funny how this stuff just goes round and round...

yes yes i am a teen of the 20's .... i cant wait to say that to my grandchildren!

 

[Nick The Man]

ahhh here we are

http://www.mp3.com/albums/7510/summary.html

 

[peopleperson]

You'll probably never find anyone into music who doesn't have something good to say about Jimi. I still think out of the tons of material that was captured in three or so years of that guy, that the original Band of Gypsies record is the absolute pinnacle of electric guitar playing.

 

[gibson_eb2d]

You'll probably never find anyone into music who doesn't have something good to say about Jimi. I still think out of the tons of material that was captured in three or so years of that guy, that the original Band of Gypsies record is the absolute pinnacle of electric guitar playing.

Yeah, some people compare SRV (he too, became larger than life after an early demise) with Jimi, and I can accept that. Hendrix can be heard doing some absolutly amazing shit recorded over 35 years ago that still make today's guitarists eyes pop out like VW bugs.

WHAT AN IMPACT the guy had. He seems like he was a really easy going nice guy, too.

 

[ocnor]

You'll probably never find anyone into music who doesn't have something good to say about Jimi.

Not quite. Most of the musicians that I know feel the same way that I do about Jimi. He sounds like a guy that took WAAAAY too many hits of acid and attempted to play the guitar. That is what was cool back then. People used to get totally wasted and listen to weird noises. Pink Floyd's early albums were this way but they evolved into great musicians. Jimi never had the chance to evolve.

 

[gibson_eb2d]

Not quite. Most of the musicians that I know feel the same way that I do about Jimi. He sounds like a guy that took WAAAAY too many hits of acid and attempted to play the guitar. That is what was cool back then. People used to get totally wasted and listen to weird noises. Pink Floyd's early albums were this way but they evolved into great musicians. Jimi never had the chance to evolve.

So if I am getting you right, you believe Hendrix never had the chance to evolve into a great artist, as he died. He simply dabbled with guitar playing while doing LSD and managed to make a few weird noises, which was cool in hippy days.

That's interesting...

Very early Pink Floyd had it's moments, but as a whole was quite weird. But still fun

 

[Garry Sharp]

So if I am getting you right, you believe Hendrix never had the chance to evolve into a great artist, as he died. He simply dabbled with guitar playing while doing LSD and managed to make a few weird noises, which was cool in hippy days.

That's interesting...

Very early Pink Floyd had it's moments, but as a whole was quite weird. But still fun

Nicely put.

What fascinates me about Hendrix is that you can recognise his playing in about three notes. There is just something about that touch.

 

[teainthesahara]

Not quite. Most of the musicians that I know feel the same way that I do about Jimi. He sounds like a guy that took WAAAAY too many hits of acid and attempted to play the guitar. That is what was cool back then. People used to get totally wasted and listen to weird noises. Pink Floyd's early albums were this way but they evolved into great musicians. Jimi never had the chance to evolve.

Different strokes for different folks

Two problems with that statment although, that have nothing to do with whether you like Jimmy or not:

First is that it implies a certain and specific definition of what it is to "play the guitar" (and Jimmy, according to that implied criteria, fails). Such a definition is mythical, or at best, purely opinion.

Second, is that the type of music/guitar playing he did was cool back then (for various social, era-related reasons), and hence its popularity. Well, its 2005, and audiences, demographics, politics, musical genres, and society as a whole have changed in a big way. Jimmy is just as relevant now, by any measure, whether it be influence or record sales. And his influence /sales are not via concerts, music videos, or acting in films doing the ever popular recording artist/actor thing. They are from grass-roots guitar players saying, "now, just what the in the hell was that" after a first listen!

 

[Garry Sharp]

My Hendrix In The West CD arrived this morning. Just as good as I remembered

 

[timmerman]

when i listen to hendrix i just get the best feeling its just so fun to listen to

i cant help but have my foot tapping or my head bobbing



does anyone get this feeling




i think im getting outta hand, i got the rays of the new rising sun CD 4 days ago and i have already listened to it at least 12 times over !

his music is just so damn good

Yes Hendrix is a great listenexperience, but there are soo many others too.

Okay does anyone like the albums which came out after his death and were produced by Allan Douglas [I believe??]

There is one which does have a song called "Peace in Mississippy". I believe Warheroes is from the same period [album was not completely finished, and overdubbs were added later even with some bass and drums, therefore it may have been a bit different from how the man would have loved it himself.]

Boingo mentioned warheroes as well and that song "Three little Bears", I think there is some stuff were he was just soundchecking before they started with the actual songs, so you can hear him having fun. The fun thing is really what I like about Hendrix, he does not care that much for perfection, and he played ALL the TIME and there was always a recorder playing along with him.


I believe he really lived the music he played, same as Sevie Ray, although Stevie was much more a traditionalist who followed the roots and tradition. Yes he added a little of his own to all of this, and gradually he did this more, but then he left us way too soon. Can still remember the day when his death was annouched on the radio, it was a sad accident, but his legend lives on.

I do have some difficulty with the hype around Hendrix and Stevie, I love their music but do not believe we need all this information about his playing style, DVD's which go into "Play like................." But I know that is the commercial world for us so...................................

I think we can all learn from people like Hendrix, but we should go out and try finding our own voice, it is Okay to copy licks and music of Hendrix, but keep it for yourself, no need to put this on albums or to play it during shows. People come to see and hear YOU rather than someone else.

If you want to hear Hendrix, go and listen to the recording, he did it there, and there is no way you can copy that, actually there is no need for that at all.

Eddie

 

[teainthesahara]

Yes Hendrix is a great listenexperience, but there are soo many others too.

Okay does anyone like the albums which came out after his death and were produced by Allan Douglas [I believe??]

Eddie

The alan douglas productions are pretty horrible. Peace in mississipi was an attempt to take rough demo's and 'craft' them into a finished, posthumous hendrix album. Most of those releases did not sell that well, because after first listen...well, you quickly relealise that it sounds like "muzak" versions of hendrix tunes. Original muscians were not consulted, new parts were written, session muscians that hendrix never worked with were brought into play on those sections...and when the original tapes did not fit with what Alan Douglas had in mind for the final product...snippity snip went the analog tape. New phrasing/timing for certain parts. Peace in mississipi is worth a listen to...if only to hear new hendrix material. One can find the unaltered tracks used for peice in mississipi here and there...and the un-edited takes sound much better...even as rough demos with mistakes abound.

The fun thing is really what I like about Hendrix, he does not care that much for perfection, and he played ALL the TIME and there was always a recorder playing along with him.

Interviews with Eddie Kramer actually suggest that he was often the perfectionist... it is cool to hear the stuff between the recordings...they seem right at home in the studio...having alot of fun....

I believe he really lived the music he played, same as Sevie Ray, although Stevie was much more a traditionalist who followed the roots and tradition.

Thats true only if you consider the Hendrix as part of the experience, Band of Gypies, or Electric Church...For most of his life however, he was the straight ahead blues/Rn'B guitarist...supporting other acts playing that style of music.

I do have some difficulty with the hype around Hendrix and Stevie, I love their music but do not believe we need all this information about his playing style, DVD's which go into "Play like................." But I know that is the commercial world for us so...................................

I think we can all learn from people like Hendrix, but we should go out and try finding our own voice, it is Okay to copy licks and music of Hendrix, but keep it for yourself, no need to put this on albums or to play it during shows. People come to see and hear YOU rather than someone else.

If you want to hear Hendrix, go and listen to the recording, he did it there, and there is no way you can copy that, actually there is no need for that at all.

Thing is, the hype around those guys is largely generated on a grass-roots level. People pick up the playing style because they identify with it, and not necessarily because they too want to smash a guitar at a pop festival. Those guys are practically mentors for guitarists who identify with that playing style. It is only natural for one to want to emulate a mentor. But yeah...the world doesnt really need any more blues-rock-psychadelic guitarists! Its been done already!

 

[timmerman]

The alan douglas productions are pretty horrible. Peace in mississipi was an attempt to take rough demo's and 'craft' them into a finished, posthumous hendrix album. Most of those releases did not sell that well, because after first listen...well, you quickly relealise that it sounds like "muzak" versions of hendrix tunes. Original muscians were not consulted, new parts were written, session muscians that hendrix never worked with were brought into play on those sections...and when the original tapes did not fit with what Alan Douglas had in mind for the final product...snippity snip went the analog tape. New phrasing/timing for certain parts. Peace in mississipi is worth a listen to...if only to hear new hendrix material. One can find the unaltered tracks used for peice in mississipi here and there...and the un-edited takes sound much better...even as rough demos with mistakes abound.



Interviews with Eddie Kramer actually suggest that he was often the perfectionist... it is cool to hear the stuff between the recordings...they seem right at home in the studio...having alot of fun....



Thats true only if you consider the Hendrix as part of the experience, Band of Gypies, or Electric Church...For most of his life however, he was the straight ahead blues/Rn'B guitarist...supporting other acts playing that style of music.



Thing is, the hype around those guys is largely generated on a grass-roots level. People pick up the playing style because they identify with it, and not necessarily because they too want to smash a guitar at a pop festival. Those guys are practically mentors for guitarists who identify with that playing style. It is only natural for one to want to emulate a mentor. But yeah...the world doesnt really need any more blues-rock-psychadelic guitarists! Its been done already!

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Peace in Mississipi:

Yes I would like to hear the rough version of that, and you are right that it is a great song just to hear new Hendrix material. The album I meant was "Crash Landing". Now I perfered this one for the early stuff, and these days I know why: Because there was a lot of tonetweaking going on. Guess I like that for myself too. Like his rough life-performances as well, but they just live on a different level.

Perfectionist in Jimi:

I agree, he worked to death on his albums, and all the little recording ideas, but I think once he had an idea he just moved on instead of miking that one idea in 20.000 milion ways just to get that idea a little bit different on the record. Well he may have done some of that, but I think he like to work at great speed...........................well you know what kind of pill I mean here eh

Hendrix as the traditionalist:

I believe he was skilled in a lot of styles, so he would really play what fitted when jamming with others. So the Band of Gypsies period sounds in a way more traditional than the Experience period.

The Experience period just only showed one particular side of him, and of course, that side fitted very well with the mood and fashion of the day.

Indentification idea of younger players:

True, and it also has to do with how people learn and how they are introduced to the guitar. I myself, as a guitar tutor, try to tap into people's own creativity rahter than "Well I would like to do this song today". Of course I know at times you do need a bit of both. At some stage we have all copied certain ideas in our lives. It is amazing how much you learn from just listening to music. If you would listen a lot to one particular player you will incorporate some of these ideas in your own playingstyle even without copying the parts from the cd. The ideas just sit in your brain and at some stage you pull them out to mix it with some other musical influences.


Cheers,

Eddie

 

[Nick The Man]

But yeah...the world doesnt really need any more blues-rock-psychadelic guitarists! Its been done already!

i disagree with statement because i am so sick of hearing the same over distorted guitar on the radio and the rappers who just talk fast into a microphone and make way to much money and get way too much respect


i mean i was never alive in the 70's and i love the music then 1,000,000 times more than most shit played today


i like what the band Jet is trying to do ..... they are a start of a new revolution back into good music where it actually takes talent and practice to play

 

[teainthesahara]

i disagree with statement because i am so sick of hearing the same over distorted guitar on the radio and the rappers who just talk fast into a microphone and make way to much money and get way too much respect

Then what your sick of is the cliche. The latest pop formula. The blues-rock-pyschadelic guitarist has also become somewhat of a cliche. In the early nineties, right before grunge hit big, there was a revival of sorts of the blues-rock guitarist (Wild T, Eric Gales Band, Big Sugar, Colin James, etc..). As cool as some of that stuff might have been (i still listen to some Big Sugar), it didnt last too long, and for good reason.

If your really into that stuff from the 60's 70's, then yeah, there is the cool sound, the good songs, but underneath that, is the innovative spirit behind the sound and the playing. The first blues-rock guitarists were innovaters in every sense of the word. Listen, learn and get intimate with that stuff, but dont just repeat history

 

[patlang12]

Then what your sick of is the cliche. The latest pop formula. The blues-rock-pyschadelic guitarist has also become somewhat of a cliche. In the early nineties, right before grunge hit big, there was a revival of sorts of the blues-rock guitarist (Wild T, Eric Gales Band, Big Sugar, Colin James, etc..). As cool as some of that stuff might have been (i still listen to some Big Sugar), it didnt last too long, and for good reason.

If your really into that stuff from the 60's 70's, then yeah, there is the cool sound, the good songs, but underneath that, is the innovative spirit behind the sound and the playing. The first blues-rock guitarists were innovaters in every sense of the word. Listen, learn and get intimate with that stuff, but dont just repeat history

Amen to that. I guess that is what I am trying to do. I have books for jimi's electric ladyland and stevie's texas flood. I go and learn the songs note for note, so I am schooled in the history. BUT then I try to change it and make it my own. And I have other influences too. If you put enough different influences together you start to make your own style.