Listen to my recording and tell me what sucks.

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I got the chance to re-master Ashley with less reverb. I also tried to downplay the vocal but there's only so much I can do. Re-doing the mix would be a better fix for this. Also, I used Ozone's brickwall limiting. It sounds good but it was harder for me to know where I was than using T-RackS.

Here's the link:


Hmmm, I guess I did't realize I saved the first version as 64Kbps/22kHz. The second one I saved as 128Kbps/44kHz so it's a little over 2 MB.
 
This version sounds alot better in alot of ways such as the reverb on this one is perfect and the guitars sound brighter.

Trying to bring down the vocals is probably a good thing, however, I may not have put them in their place quite enough, because I could hear the multiband compressor working alot. As you're aware, I am not really familiar with the processes so I am in no position to say anything, however, I did like the overall tone of the original other than that it could have a low cut around 50Hz and maybe bring down the gain right around 6kHz to take away the harshness, and maybe a high boost around 10-20 Kish. I don't know if these values are even slightly on, but do you get the idea? What I am saying is in short:

The record sounds good except, it's low messiness, harshness, and lack of 'sparkling'. Other than those, I am trying to get it louder, which will require some compression I know. Don't try and re-mix it though. I know the vocals are too loud and alot is screwed, but we aren't concerned about that right now.

Riffer, you are doing a wicked job, and I am so pleased to have someone like you helping me out....you're the best. I am currently trying to get a free full version of Ozone from somewhere so I can play too. I want to thank you for taking your own time to help me out.....it's the nicest thing ever. Hopefully I will be able to post some links to crap I have 'mastered' soon too.

Greg.
 
Greg,

If you really appreciate my effort then all I ask in return is you download the Ozone demo and if you like it, buy it. Please do not go find "a full free version of Ozone somewhere". And no, I have no affiliation with iZotope - just a happy, paying customer. And no, I will have no way of knowing whether you do or not. It's all up to you.

Rif
 
OK, so I am going on holidays today for like a week and a half, so I won't get your reply(ies) until then, but I have a small issue....here goes:

Riffing, you know when you did the mastering, there was alot of reverb? Well, I downloaded the demo version of Ozone, and it has the same crap. I has narrowed it down to being the multiband compressor causing the nasty reverb. I have changed all the parameters, and it is still there. Obviously, you have found a way around it, and I am curious as to what you did to eliminate it. Thanks. Greg.

ps. I am super pleased with Ozone....I will probably buy it :)
 
I was actually experimenting with Ashley. After I ran it through Ozone, I thought it was too dry so I applied DFX StudioVerb on it before I did the level processing with T-RackS. The second time around, I didn't apply StudioVerb on it which is why there is a lot less reverb.

Check the mastering reverb in Ozone and bypass it. I don't use it all the time and if I do, it's usually very sparingly - like 10-15% wet with 100% dry.
 
Of course that is what you'd think was causing the reverb right.....wrong!

I do have it disabled, and as I posted before, I have narrowed it down (via bypassing/soloing) to the mulitband compressor.

OK, so you said you have been using T-racks right. So try using Ozone and Ozone alone....see if it does it for you. You can hear it in the 3rd compressing section....you know, like the 'high-mid' section. You can especially hear it on the 'fall fashion sale' song at the beginning where there is just clean guitar and drums. This really sucks. I am temped to try out T-Racks, but it doesn't look as good. Let me know before noon what you come up with if it's possible. Thanks again so much. Greg.
 
I only used Ozone on the second mastering attempt. I haven't even listened to Fall Fashion Sale and I will not be able to get to it by noon since it's already past noon where I am.

Since you have the mix, why not remix it with less reverb?
 
I actually can't re-mix it with less reverb....plus, the reverb that it adds sounds like ass. See if you can eliminate the reverb that the multi band compressor adds. It is only 10:45 here.

I need to find a way to master it without adding reverb. Thanks. Greg.
 
Maybe I misrepresented myself and I didn't mean to. I do this recording thing as a hobby - a hobby I've made a little extra cash on - but still a hobby. I am at my real job and will have no way in getting to my computer until I get home.

I was trying to show you what mastering can do for a final mix. I don't remember saying I was going to master both songs for you. At least, not for free. :)
 
Sorry if it seemed that I expected you to do all this for free. I suppose the forum is intended for ideas, etc. That of which you have provided me with, plus some...

I am impressed with the diversity of Ozone, however I did run into the issue that the multiband compressor stage added unwanted nasty reverb. I am currently using the demo. I would like to purchase the real thing (which will cost me alot in Canada I'm sure), however I do not want to waste my money if I can't even use the multiband compressor in the program.

I just asked if you could test it out so that I can determine whether it was just the demo, or user error. That way I could spend my money without question or regret. I will play again with it now that I am back from holidays and if you are willing to continue to help me out as well as other users who may read this, take a little time and do a quick test to see if yours does it too. I know this plug in can do what I need it too as long as I/we can eliminate this one glitch. Thanks so much for all you've done for me....you've saved my ass.

ps. I would pay you if I was getting paid :)......but I'm not either....I'm in it for the fun/knowledge/experience.
 
No problem here. I'm glad things are cleared up. :)

I may have time later this week but I can't promise anything.

You should also try to contact iZotope's support, especially if you tell them this one problem is the only thing that's preventing you from purchasing their product.
 
High Gregwor!

Are you sure that the verb isn't there before and just pushed up by the compressor? That's why I often do my 'mastering' in one step with mixing - I want to have control over the lower volumed parts of my song... But hey it's only punk rock anyway :D

Ciao

Axel
 
Yes, Ozone has a reverb section, make sure you aren't using that first.. I'm sure they wouldn't design it to add reverb without the user putting it on.
 
I haven't checked if my verb is before my compressor or not...but even with the verb off, and only the compressor on, it did it....then I would turn everything off (bypass) and it would sound fine.

So anyways, I think it might be a bad demo or something.....I did some research with other fellow recording guys that I know....amazingly, this one guy has it, and says that of course the compressor adds some colour, however no reverb, so he is going to let me play tonight and I'll let you know what I come up with. Maybe I'll even post some MP3's for you all. Cheers. Greg.
 
High Gregwor!

I'm not perfectly sure if you understood what I meant... Try to get ANY other audio software that has a compressor in it. Compress the f**k out of the track (even up to really bad sound). If you suddenly have verbs on the compressed track, they were there before... But you should know best, whether you used verbs on which tracks.

You see, I'm a fan of these almost inaudible ping pong delays. Whenever I mixed on my VS alone and had to apply the MTK afterwards, the delay or my longer tailed reverbs (if used) were far too loud. The compression (or the makeup gain after the compression - to avoid flames :D) will make the ambience approximately that amount louder that you had gain reduction while compressing... And +6dB on a verb can be loads...

Just a thought...

Axel
 
If a Mastering Engineer put reverb on a mix of mine , I would NEVER use him again!


Amund
 
Hooray!

OK, so I used my buddies Ozone (currently saving for the program myself), and had wicked results. The compression did add a little 'color' to the mix, however didn't really add the reverb that the demo had. The finished products are up on the same site I had originally posted, however they are in wave form so that the band can get the 'master'. When they have it, I will replace them with MP3's. It turned out OK, minus the original mix problems that of which I can't repair....so yeah. Cheers, and thanks for all the help. :)
 
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