diogo
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tanx!
thats very good to know.
thats very good to know.
MrBoogie
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hmmmmm
Seems to be a lot of mis-information going around.
Yes, USB 2.0 is fast for sustained transfer speed, but that is a different thing from latency.
Also, USB 2.0 is 480Mbs while firewire is 400Mbps. Based on that, I wouldn't say USB 2.0 is a "lot" faster or "waay" faster....it's 20% faster. That's considerable or noticeable. Musicians have a gift for exaggeration
Also, don't forget, it's measured in megabits, NOT megaBYTES which is what many people(in general, not here specifically) seem to think. This IS a big difference.
Last, as Al Sim pointed out, the usb connection is NOT for audio data, only control data.
With all that in mind, this unit looks (to me) like it wouldn't be any better than any other effects processor with MIDI control and digital I/O. It looks like having "USB 2.0" on the box is causing clouding of vision.
Even if USB 2.0 has better latency than MIDI for control data, so what? You can do some crazy stuff using MIDI control over your processor. Realtime stuff. I honestly can't understand how USB 2.0 would help here....
I forgot to add, if you do a search on the internet, most sources [that I've read] say that Firewire is actually faster than USB 2.0 in the real world. The raw throughput doesn't tell the whole story, apparently. One thing I don't know is whether Firewire or USB 2.0 has lower latency.....
Seems to be a lot of mis-information going around.Yes, USB 2.0 is fast for sustained transfer speed, but that is a different thing from latency.
Also, USB 2.0 is 480Mbs while firewire is 400Mbps. Based on that, I wouldn't say USB 2.0 is a "lot" faster or "waay" faster....it's 20% faster. That's considerable or noticeable. Musicians have a gift for exaggeration
Also, don't forget, it's measured in megabits, NOT megaBYTES which is what many people(in general, not here specifically) seem to think. This IS a big difference.
Last, as Al Sim pointed out, the usb connection is NOT for audio data, only control data.
With all that in mind, this unit looks (to me) like it wouldn't be any better than any other effects processor with MIDI control and digital I/O. It looks like having "USB 2.0" on the box is causing clouding of vision.
Even if USB 2.0 has better latency than MIDI for control data, so what? You can do some crazy stuff using MIDI control over your processor. Realtime stuff. I honestly can't understand how USB 2.0 would help here....
I forgot to add, if you do a search on the internet, most sources [that I've read] say that Firewire is actually faster than USB 2.0 in the real world. The raw throughput doesn't tell the whole story, apparently. One thing I don't know is whether Firewire or USB 2.0 has lower latency.....
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diogo
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Boogie,
i stand corrected then. I really thought that a quicker connection would mean lower lactency...as in, quicker, not so demanding of the cpu, real time, etc would equal low lactency.
i stand corrected then. I really thought that a quicker connection would mean lower lactency...as in, quicker, not so demanding of the cpu, real time, etc would equal low lactency.
Purge
Traitorous Usurper
Just giving this a semi-bump...I'm really looking forward to a review here.
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Sample rate ??? 44.1 compatible??
From the zzounds website, they claim 44/48 compatibility...Features
16 legendary Lexicon reverbs
Lexicon delays & mod effects
dbx compressor & de-esser
VST plug-in & editor software
"Hardware plug-in" mode
Dual-processor design
4 routing configurations
99 factory / 99 user programs
S/PDIF digital inputs / outputs
24 bit, 44.1kHz / 48kHz
BUT, the Lexicon site does not... Hmmmmm.... Father's Day is coming up, and I think I want this, but, not if I can't use it at 44.1....
Plus, Id like to see some reviews... I couldn't find a single one....
From the zzounds website, they claim 44/48 compatibility...Features
16 legendary Lexicon reverbs
Lexicon delays & mod effects
dbx compressor & de-esser
VST plug-in & editor software
"Hardware plug-in" mode
Dual-processor design
4 routing configurations
99 factory / 99 user programs
S/PDIF digital inputs / outputs
24 bit, 44.1kHz / 48kHz
BUT, the Lexicon site does not... Hmmmmm.... Father's Day is coming up, and I think I want this, but, not if I can't use it at 44.1....
Plus, Id like to see some reviews... I couldn't find a single one....
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So.... it requires a bit of hookup, unlike a VST plug... I guess you'd also need to set up some send/returns in the DAW, and tie up at least 2 sets of ins/outs on your card if using both channels/effects available.
I'm off to the Lexicon site, hoping to d'load a manual....
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Well, no manual....
No reviews, no nothing.....
So, I placed a "Best Offer" on eBay for one... If the offer is accepted, I'll write up a comprehensive review.
Assuming it doesn't sound like ass, (which it may, based on the MPX200), it seems like good buy.
No reviews, no nothing.....
So, I placed a "Best Offer" on eBay for one... If the offer is accepted, I'll write up a comprehensive review.
Assuming it doesn't sound like ass, (which it may, based on the MPX200), it seems like good buy.
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stoli147
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mx200 questions
I'll answer a few of your questions:
The MX200 is a 48kHz device, that can also handle 44.1kHz. When connected via the analog jacks it samples at 48kHz. When connected to a valid SPDIF stream, it will sync to rate of the spdif. 48kHz or 44.1kHz.
The USB is used for control data. It is USB 1.1 full-speed.
The MX-Edit software uses midi messages to control the box either through USB or midi jacks.
The MX200 is nothing like the MPX200. I do not know why marketing chose that name.
The reverbs in the box are closely matched to the MPX550. The effects are better.
Post other questions if you have them.
Will
I'll answer a few of your questions:
The MX200 is a 48kHz device, that can also handle 44.1kHz. When connected via the analog jacks it samples at 48kHz. When connected to a valid SPDIF stream, it will sync to rate of the spdif. 48kHz or 44.1kHz.
The USB is used for control data. It is USB 1.1 full-speed.
The MX-Edit software uses midi messages to control the box either through USB or midi jacks.
The MX200 is nothing like the MPX200. I do not know why marketing chose that name.
The reverbs in the box are closely matched to the MPX550. The effects are better.
Post other questions if you have them.
Will
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Rodger Hartlett
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SonicAlbert said:
Thaat is WHat i want to know?
HOW much???
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Thanks Will...
Thanks for the info...
The price is pretty much $199 everywhere....
It would be cool if you didn't need to wire it analog..... you know, just a USB port.... that would be slick if they could do it w/o latency....
Thanks for the info...
The price is pretty much $199 everywhere....
It would be cool if you didn't need to wire it analog..... you know, just a USB port.... that would be slick if they could do it w/o latency....
SonicAlbert
Super-Sonic "Herb" Albert
turnitdown said:Thanks for the info...
The price is pretty much $199 everywhere....
It would be cool if you didn't need to wire it analog..... you know, just a USB port.... that would be slick if they could do it w/o latency....
$199 is a great price point. The big difference between this and their other fx is the ability to interface with it as a hardware VST plugin. That is a nifty feature. The USB feature simply allows the box to be used without a midi interface.
I should point out that there will be latency with any digital hardware box or plugin. It's simply not possible to do that without latency, although some DAW's have latency compensation abilities. Also, wiring into the MX200 via the SPDIF is a digital connection, not analog. I don't really see any advantage to USB in that regard. Frankly, I find USB to be relatively unreliable compared to SPDIF, AES, and ADAT digital connections. I'd much rather interface my digital outboard via their digital connectors, if I had to choose between the two.
It is a great concept though, allowing a hardware box to be addressed like a plugin.
J
JuliánFernández
2&4
Mmm, really interesting machine, but i wonder about the quatily of the AD convertes... 200 bucks smells like not-so-very-good convertion...
What do you think?
What do you think?
RezN8
Blick-um, blick-um...
Still waiting
Quick update - still waiting on the MX200. Sweetwater said they would ship me one last week (Thurs.) ... when I called back to confirm they said they are now expecting a shipment to arrive from Lexicon by 6/10/05.
Many online stores "say" they have them, but when I called around no one seems to have them in stock just yet. Many stores say the are expecting them in by 6/20/05.
I'll keep you posted. Cheers, Rez
Quick update - still waiting on the MX200. Sweetwater said they would ship me one last week (Thurs.) ... when I called back to confirm they said they are now expecting a shipment to arrive from Lexicon by 6/10/05.
Many online stores "say" they have them, but when I called around no one seems to have them in stock just yet. Many stores say the are expecting them in by 6/20/05.
I'll keep you posted. Cheers, Rez
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stoli147
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The design has good quality codecs in it. Probably overkill for a $200 box.
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Welcome Stoli147 (Will) !!
Hi Will....
PLEASE !!! Don't take this the wrong way, but do you work for Lexicon??
The reason I ask is that you seem to know quite a bit about a box that is generally not available to the public, and you just registered, so far only posting about the Lexicon unit...
If you do, that's fine, and if not, that's fine too.... I'm just curious, as the forum has genarall not been to welcoming of sales/marketing folks posing as HomeRecorders.... (That can be easily rectified by providing a company affiliation in your signature line... That way there's no false pretense.)
Anyway, welcome aboard!!! This is a great forum!!
Hi Will....
PLEASE !!! Don't take this the wrong way, but do you work for Lexicon??
The reason I ask is that you seem to know quite a bit about a box that is generally not available to the public, and you just registered, so far only posting about the Lexicon unit...
If you do, that's fine, and if not, that's fine too.... I'm just curious, as the forum has genarall not been to welcoming of sales/marketing folks posing as HomeRecorders.... (That can be easily rectified by providing a company affiliation in your signature line... That way there's no false pretense.)
Anyway, welcome aboard!!! This is a great forum!!
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Aww.... come on.... how did you know that????
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I re-read that again... I'm now convinced you either:
a.) Work for Lexicon in sales/marketing
b.) Are a retailer of Lexicon
c.) None of the above....
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stoli147
New member
Yes, I do know a lot about the box. I did not come to the forum intending to pose as a HomeRecorder. I came looking for reviews of this box. Just wondering what people thought about the design. And seeing some of the questions and confusion about the box and after the official answer from Lexicon didn't suffice, I relunctantly posted the answers. I apologize if I misled you.
I am affiliated with Lexicon, but not in the marketing/sales group. I wasn't coming to say how great our product 'xx' is and how much that product from company 'xx' sucks. More just hanging around to learn stuff and what should be improved on future products.
I am affiliated with Lexicon, but not in the marketing/sales group. I wasn't coming to say how great our product 'xx' is and how much that product from company 'xx' sucks. More just hanging around to learn stuff and what should be improved on future products.
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Bob's Mods
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stoli,
How many instances of this "plugin" is one able to open in a project?
Bob
How many instances of this "plugin" is one able to open in a project?
Bob
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Not a problem... in fact, now we have someone to go to for facts....
I think we'll opt not to ask you subjective things, like "Does it sound good?""
I think we'll opt not to ask you subjective things, like "Does it sound good?""