Les Paul Junior group build thread : Outline and the way forward.

muttley600

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Following the recent guitar build threads here there has been quite a bit of interest from members in having a go themselves. Myself and JCH have been investigating the possibility of heading up a build thread where we walk all those interested through a basic build with the aim of producing a functional guitar with the minimum of investment in tools and equipment. We have also been in touch with the admin here, particularly chili and Charter to discuss the best way forward.

What we have come up with is outlined below and we would like some input from members before committing. This thread is for all your suggestions and comments so lets here them.

The Aim

We need to set some basic aims and objectives. As stated the main aim is to build a guitar with a limited range of special tools and equipment. For anyone getting into this for the first time or moving on from doing setups and kit builds the prospect of building from scratch can be a little off putting. It needn't be.

The project will be divided into sections to clearly outline the process for each stage. Hopefully we will be able to walk through the tools, jigs and methods used to construct a basic guitar.

The project will be divided into sections that will hopefully make it easier for people to find the information they need without wading through long threads with lots of side tracking and off topic discussion. We have decided that the best way to do this will be to create a thread or threads that will contain the nuts and bolts of the build and the tools and jigs in an orderly fashion. This thread will be for JCH and myself to post progress in and we would ask that everyone refrain from posting in those threads. We will have separate thread in which all questions and comments can be made and we will be on hand to respond to them. Chili and Charter will be on hand to move or delete any rouge posts so please try and stick to this simple rule to make life easier for them.

It would also be great if anyone who decides to give the project a go start their own build thread so we can all add encouragement and praise as things progress.

The Guitar.

The guitar we plan to build will be based on the Les Paul Junior. This is an ideal start as the guitar is functional and not overly complicated in terms of design or features. At present the plan is that JCH will be building a double cutaway and I will be building a single cutaway. That will provide an option for people who may wish to build either one. We also intend to introduce a few other changes to the build to demonstrate that a little thought and planning allows you to modify the plans to accommodate exactly what you may want to build. I believe JCH will be sticking fairly close to the plans. I will be making a few changes to the basic design but nothing complicated or that makes the build more challenging. We will also be walking through the process of making the pickups for anyone that feels they wish to attempt that as well. A stock pickup would be fine however.


The tools

The basic tools required will be outlined most of which are readily available if you don't have them already. Tools are great and you can never have enough however many often presume that you need a large range of specialist tools to build a guitar and this simply isn't the case. Many of the specialist tools can be made and we will be walking through this as well. Radius blocks, fretting tools, clamping tools, all can be improvised or made with only a very few exceptions. If you want to outlay on any specific tools I'm sure JCH and myself can point you in the right direction. It's important to get the right tools especially if you are spending good money and they are to serve you well in the long run.

Much of the process of building a guitar is about the jigs used to get the job done. We will be spending quite a bit of time describing these and also how they work. Again the outlay for these is not excessive and most can be made with half inch ply and some square timber stock or off cuts.

I will be putting up a list of tools categorized as essential, preferable and handy to have. JCH will also out line what he is using although I would imagine they would be very similar.

JCH has also agreed to put up a cutting list for the timber required and for the parts. For anyone in the UK or Europe I will be happy to advise on where to get what is needed.

The Plans we will be working to will be attached for anyone that wants to look them over. They exceed the forum limit for upload so hopefully we will get Chatar to host them for download. If not then we will email them over to anyone interested. You can get these printed full size quite easily or if you have software that allows you to tile print you can print them on A4 and assemble then from there. The important part of the plane is the outline as that is pretty much the only part we will be scaling off the paper. For most everything else we will be marking as we go from listed dimensions.


Thats it for now. Any questions fire away and happy building. I would think we will be starting on this in the next few days. How long it will take is anybodies guess but until you start on a journey you can not arrive at the destination..;)
 
Way cool! Can't wait to follow along.

Are you taking suggestions? I have two:
1) keep it as DIY as possible. For example, no premade fretboards. Slot, fret, and inlay that thing yourself. Cut your own nuts! No premade anything except for hardware. I don't expect yall to machine your own tuners or bridge.
2) I'd like great detail on the math and measurements and terminology. The neck pocket and pitch are all great mysteries to me. Headstock angle. Neck bow/bend truss rod stuff. All might as well be chinese.

Other than that, can't wait to see it go down. Thanks for doing this.
 
First off, A big thanks muttley for getting this going. He's already posted pretty clearly what were doing, so there's no need for me to be repetitive. Like he said we'll be starting out with the tooling, but for those wanting to participate it would be a very good idea to get some of the things ordered that will be needed later on in the project.


I like saving money wherever I can so I buy most of my hardware from Asian suppliers. It takes a while for delivery from halfway around the world, but the savings are worth it. If you order now, you should have them with time to spare. To be prepared I've ordered this bridge Chrome Guitar Wraparound Bridge Tailpiece for Gibson LP | eBay and these tuners Grover SEALED Guitar String Tuning Pegs Tuner Machine Heads 3L3R | eBay You don't have to order these specific parts, but they'll be what I'm using. I've ordered these same components before, and they worked out fine. The delivery was earlier than expected, and the quality was what you would expect on a new guitar. The prices are about 25% of what these items would cost domestically in the USA. The other parts have a much shorter lead time, and are relatively inexpensive. We can go over those later.


The Cut List
Your location, and the availability of tonewoods will come into play here. I'm very lucky to have a local supplier that usually has a good stock on hand. For many, that won't be the case. If you're fortunate enough to have a local source the savings can be significant. The last time I purchased material, I bought enough African Magogany to build three of these guitar's for less than $90.


Those that aren't so fortunate as I have plenty of other options. For the sake of the demonstration I'll be doing a two piece body, but a guitar body can be made of several pieces glued together, or if you're lucky enough, one big slab. There are also vendors on ebay selling body, and neck blanks that have reasonable prices. One of the objectives is to keep this affordable, but still have a very nice guitar at the end.


The body blank for a DC Junior should be no less than 19L X 13 1/2W X 1 3/4T. Mahogany would be ideal, but species isn't a big concern. Those wanting to save money might opt for Poplar, or Basswood. Both of which machine quite easily, and are suitable tonewoods.


The neck billet can also be made from several pieces laminated together. I'll be using a scarf joint at the headstock. My blank is 36L X 3 3/8W X 1 3/4T

I'll be using walnut, or some mahogany for a headstock overlay to cover the scarf joint. A piece 4W X 8L should do the job.


For the fingerboard I'll use a pre-slotted, and pre-radiused rosewood board from stewmac. I'm doing this for a few reasons: They are very consistent in quality and will simplify the process for all. Some of the fretting tools are expensive, and require some learned skill. Finally, and Importantly I'll be able to give an accurate bridge location to anyone using the same hardware, and scale. I've bought pre-slotted boards from other sources that required a lot of work to make them usable. I've never had that problem with the stewmac boards.

It's a good idea to purchase your wood as far in advance as possible. This will allow it to acclimate for a while before you saw into it.

That's all for now. Those interested in playing along should chime in, and clear off their workbench.
 
I'll be using an adjustable wrap-tail. I put the picture up to show how my first guitar turned out.
 
The link is in post #3. The intonation is fully adjustable.
Okay, I get it. Sorry. I blew right past it. A bit more sophisticated than the '54 guess-o-matic (hope we drilled it right).

I'll try to keep the superfluous comments to a minimum. I won't be building along but I will be following. I have a world of respect for the craftsmanship you and Mutt exhibit on a regular basis. There was one other guy here (or maybe A & A or both) that did real nice work. More pointy, shredder stuff but fine specimens of the genre.

Anyway - carry on. You do the site an incredible service.
 
Okay, I get it. Sorry. I blew right past it. A bit more sophisticated than the '54 guess-o-matic (hope we drilled it right).

I'll try to keep the superfluous comments to a minimum. I won't be building along but I will be following. I have a world of respect for the craftsmanship you and Mutt exhibit on a regular basis. There was one other guy here (or maybe A & A or both) that did real nice work. More pointy, shredder stuff but fine specimens of the genre.

Anyway - carry on. You do the site an incredible service.

That was Metalhead or something similar. I think Lt has one of his builds... Good guy...:thumbs up:
 
Thanks to Mutt and JCH for doing this. I'll be participating with the build-a-long as best I can. Work demands a lot of travel time, so not always around.

I'm mostly interested in the neck, neck/body joint and finishing. I'm pretty sure the rest of the build is well within my capabilities, but the finishing part has kicked my butt twice now. :(

JCH, when you mentioned basswood and poplar being easier to machine, how does mahogany compare? Anything like oak?
 
Chili said:
JCH, when you mentioned basswood and poplar being easier to machine, how does mahogany compare? Anything like oak?
Mahogany is a great choice. It's very stable, machine's beautifully, and has a pleasant smell when you cut it. All of this plus it is a wonderful tone wood. It's nothing at all like oak. Oak makes excellent firewood though.
 
Thanks to Mutt and JCH for doing this. I'll be participating with the build-a-long as best I can. Work demands a lot of travel time, so not always around.

I'm mostly interested in the neck, neck/body joint and finishing. I'm pretty sure the rest of the build is well within my capabilities, but the finishing part has kicked my butt twice now. :(

JCH, when you mentioned basswood and poplar being easier to machine, how does mahogany compare? Anything like oak?

There are many many types of mahogany and they are all slightly different. The Mahogany we commonly associate with guitar building isn't actually mahogany at all. Increasingly species of timber either listed as or actually are a mahogany are being used in the guitar world with mixed success. I will probably be building with one of these myself. I haven't made a final decision yet. I will be running over some key considerations as to timber in the project itself. As JCH says Mahogany is a good choice with a few caveats...
 
This is gonna be great!

These threads make me feel kinda dumb though, as I'm barely capable of even setting up a guitar.

Can't wait to see how this develops :thumbs up:
 
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