Last Tune...

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chrisharris said:
People...this is killing me. Tom says it sounds mono, and this is about the most UN-Mono thing I've ever heard?????


Anybody????

[EDIT] Thanks, Sam...I really appreciate it.

It's not mono by any stretch, but I think what he's hearing is a perceived lack of fore-aft depth. it's plenty wide, but not super deep, so you ear thinks it lacks dimension.

Personally I think it's a wonderful piece. I agree it needs drums from the first chorus on. You have a TERRIFIC, expressive voice, and I love how you both double and counterpoint yourself so cleanly and effectively.

Cool piece man!!!

Cheerios!
Phil
 
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macle said:


Well, I was gonna be an autotune nazi :eek: , but who wants to bring up that?! seriously, I'm just curious, is there autotune on this, not that there's anything wrong with that, but you can tell me, cuz I think I'm hearing it.

Seriously, though. Real good song, singing, guitars sound great, I especially like the harmony on the word 'fun'. I think you could bring up the vocal. I think, in country music, they've got the vocal real up front, don't they?
I have no problem admitting that I AUTOTUNED THE SHIT OUT OF THIS...I kept waiting, and waiting for somebody to call me on it. It's a new toy. To be honest, when I heard that effect on my voice, and I sounded like Cher, I actually liked it. There are a couple of backups where I sang 3 notes in a row down a whole step and tuned them up. It sounds like a different person singing. I could definitely use it more transparently, but it's a cool little effect, I think.

Oh yeah, then there were some backups that I just flatted out on and got lazy...I mean, it just fixes 'em. That's like talent in a box!!!
 
Hey Chris,

Man, that's a lot of tambourine! the single shakes in the first verse almost resemble a jangling spur. (or what the sound like on tv:D) It gives the song an air of mystery and will keep anyone listening (not just the studiophiles :D)

The fact that you had to create all the sonic momentum with guitars and a tambo is a credit to your engineering, imho. You do a great job replacing the crash hits with a like a predelay effect or something. I don't know what it is, to be honest, but it gives the whole moment of tension for the voice and all the guitars to come back in on the downbeat. The rulebook says "this kind of song should have drums" but nobody ever got anywhere by following the rules!

Good effort, Chris. I'm saving it for my personal enjoyment.

milesmaxwell
 
good stuff...

...just listened on the cmptr, now on phones...

Wo-o-ow... chris... now damn... you're showing some improvement, my man! The guits sound nice and warm without that grittyness that accompanied most of your stuff to this point... ...because somebody takes E, and goes cacacuckoo on the EQ... ;)

Nice words... very nice mix in comparison, again, to what you've done to this point... would be perfect with a bit more highs from the guits... but it's definitely balanced in a very... pre-90's way....

Reminds me of an experience this week: listened to a very popular disc from about 1992/3 right after listening to Foo Fighter's newest... I'll be damned... the mixes on THIS CLINIC sound cleaner, and have better separation than that 1993 disc... very surprising...

Leading me to tell you that your mix is at LEAST as good as that disk's mix... high praise :)

There's still a little cloudiness in there right underneath some of those guits... but it's almost unnoticeable. Good job :)

Which autotune? The plug-in, or the box?

nice performance, Mr. Antares :)
 
Wow Chris,
......what a great song. Great story, great music......... great.
......and your vocals sound fantastic on this. I couldnt tell you were using the autotune. Ive never messed w/ one, but I thought that it came across pretty transparently on this. . Have you ever heard Soul Asylum...? ....lotsa vocal style simlarities. Very nice song writing man. The recording is very full and rich. The tamborine is a give or take for me, I think i would have liked a conservatively conventional drum arrangement on this, ......but it sounds great the way it is so i'll shut up 'bout that:) . The squeezed vocal effects on the echoes sound very tasteful and unpretensious. ........Im not real sure about the split panning on the dual lead voc parts at around 3:40.........neat idea, maybe just a touch extreme. ....idunno ....edit: echo.....sorry sluice.

.......one thing i do know......... GREAT song man!!!

G w/ a big 5


PS: glad youre ok man:)
 
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chrisharris said:

I have no problem admitting that I AUTOTUNED THE SHIT OUT OF THIS...I kept waiting, and waiting for somebody to call me on it. It's a new toy. To be honest, when I heard that effect on my voice, and I sounded like Cher, I actually liked it. There are a couple of backups where I sang 3 notes in a row down a whole step and tuned them up. It sounds like a different person singing. I could definitely use it more transparently, but it's a cool little effect, I think.

Oh yeah, then there were some backups that I just flatted out on and got lazy...I mean, it just fixes 'em. That's like talent in a box!!!

Hah hah! I knew it, you can't put one over on a Nazi like me! I recently asked somebody else that, but they denied it, and I felt a fool. Not this time. I applaud your honesty.

But...Chris...I thought you was a good singer. :( Turns out, you are a complete fraud, and couldn't carry a tune in a bucket. I'm afraid I'm going to have to spit in your general direction, and walk away in disgust. spitting :p...and walking :mad:

Okay, I'm back. :) Anyway, it does give it that slick country sound. Now, just put a drum machine on, and you're all set. :D
 
This is great, another awesome tune chris. Drum machine.....BAH! I'm on it :D
 
Wow-great tune-excellent lyrics!-Some really cool and subtle production ideas going on-from the squashed "yeller's" to guitar harmonics and harmony solo lines-never thought I'd say this but-nice tambourine work lol. As far as the mix-I heard someone mention that its wide but not deep-I think I agree-it needs to breathe a little bit more-sounds like its in a vacuum-maybe just a little verb on the guits or the vox just to seperate them from each other a bit. I also heard a click noise of some kind at ~2:30-both times I listened I turned around cause I thought someoen was in the room with me...But anyway, an excellent tune-I could see this being a "hit" for this genre-whats not to like about this?
 
chris, i love this song.

i'm really happy to have someone on this board making good country...

not that I am really into country - but I think your stuff is excellent....and I am a sucker for some country melody/harmony...

your instrumentation is great.

now, get a new vocal mic, and you will be set with your recordings...

i really think that $199 for a Studio Projects C1 would sounds great on your voice...

stop wasting great vocal takes when you know how the KM will make them sound....

(strange that you said you don't use compression on the vox...the sound to me sounds very muffled and compressed..)
oh well man, get a new mic...and press on. this is great stuff.
 
by the way chris i agree that this is a hit song.

i don't think anyone could sing it better than you do though...

might as well become the next country star ;)
 
wes480 said:

(strange that you said you don't use compression on the vox...the sound to me sounds very muffled and compressed..)
oh well man, get a new mic...and press on. this is great stuff.

ohhh....i just read the rest of this thread...in particular the Nazis comments.

that explains it ;)
 
Llarion - Thanks for checking it out. I was glad to see that you limited your critique to the "depth" of the mix, or lack thereof. See, usually, I get stuff like, "What the fuck is that HUUUUGE hiss on the right side doing there?...and is that a BABY crying in the background?" Hehehehe... I'm more than happy to work on depth. Thanks again

Stonepiano - That was cool of you to post. I actually have a bunch of instruments that I'm not using these days. Trying to make these tunes sound different from each other with the same sparse instrumentation is a battle I lose more often than not. I'm glad you think I won this one.

Participant - Warms my heart, man. The last thing I posted as a mic check helped me a TON. If I just don't use EQ, Compression, or Reverb, I'm fine. hehehehe. I had no idea I was working TOO hard on them. No more of that for me. No sirreee Bob. This got recorded in 2 hours, after I lost a session that I'd spent all day on. Thanks so much for your time and your "golden" ears. (The Autotune is the plugin. And macle is the one who taught me how to USE it ;) - I added a TOUCH of highs to the gits, too).

Guernica - Thanks for the stars, brother. Even the 1 star bandit has taken a temporary refrain from my thread. I have drums on the way...from a tasteful player. But fuck, as hard as I worked on that tambourine...IT'S STAYIN'!! Lol. If you get a chance, check out the last mix for the panning at the end. There's more vocal in there now...THANK YOU JAMAL BUCHET. I think it sits a little better now. Anyway, Mike, your recordings blow this away, and I appreciate that you always seem to find time to listen, b/c I learn...and God knows I need it.

macLe - TAKES AN AUTOTUNER USER TO KNOW ONE, RIGHT?...I'm laughing my ass off, you nazi. I've never gotten to use Antares before, but I really like it, and I don't look at it any differently than reverb. It sounds cool on some stuff, and it sounds like processed shit on other stuff. I figure, if you can HEAR that a note is out enough to tune it, you're not cheating. Oh, thanks for the tip on the "spot" tuning, btw. I ran a whole vocal through it and...well, ...heehehe...let's just say that was NOT a cool effect. Thanks again.

Barometer - Thanks for gettin my avatar back for me. Now play.

Strat - I read that first sentence 5 times before I read it right. I was reading it as "great tune - EXCEPT lyrics." My low opinion of my recording ability just WON'T let me accept a compliment. hahahah. Thanks for listening. OH, AND THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP ON THAT POP. It was the noise from my chair, and it was in my "bad" ear, so I didn't even know it was there. It's gone now.

wes480 - I have two items to purchase VERY soon. The C1 is one of 'em...but I couldn't wait to record this. Thanks especially for your opinions on the song itself. I'm proud of this one, and it's really the first one I've posted where I don't feel bad saying so. BTW - the only way I'd ever be "famous" is if I started sniping people at random or something. :D I'll leave fame for the next generation, right?

OKAY, JAMAL BUCHET ADDED SOME BACKUPS, AND HE'LL BE PISSED THAT I'M DRAWING ATTENTION TO IT, SO THAT'S WHY I'M POSTING THIS IN ALL CAPS. BARRING ANY FURTHER CATASTROPHES, THE VERSION THAT'S UP IS THE BASIC MIX I'M GOING WITH...(til I get drums...hehehehe)

THANKS,
Chris (he got his eye back) Harris
 
Nice tune Chris.Cool melody and background vox are sounding good.I hear a little auto-tune here and there.;) You got a pretty cool effect with it.I like the layered voxs on certain phrases.Towards the end it's really cool with all the vocal stuff going on.You got a little more creative with this one than most of your tunes as far as the vocals go.You kept this busy with a shitload of vocals doing cool things throughout and the music was busy throughout also even though there wasnt any drums on it.The tambourine worked great for percussion.

How often do you make it out to Austin?Thats your town man.You should try your best to breakthrough there.Your stuff has too much substance and quality for Nashville.Stay in Texas with it man!

Another thing,Nashville has an age limit,but Austin will accept you at any age,any time as long as you have your craft honed.

Ok,I guess I should have PM'd those benadryl induced thoughts.:eek:

Nice songwriting,arranging and singing as always.

Kramer
-The Dawgs are gonna kick Floridas ass today!
 
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chrisharris said:

macLe - TAKES AN AUTOTUNER USER TO KNOW ONE, RIGHT?...I'm laughing my ass off, you nazi. I've never gotten to use Antares before, but I really like it, and I don't look at it any differently than reverb. It sounds cool on some stuff, and it sounds like processed shit on other stuff. I figure, if you can HEAR that a note is out enough to tune it, you're not cheating. Oh, thanks for the tip on the "spot" tuning, btw. I ran a whole vocal through it and...well, ...heehehe...let's just say that was NOT a cool effect. Thanks again.

Well, I've gone to rehab, so I'm clean. Why do I keep bringing this up, some sort of self-hating desire to destroy my own reputation...

Seriously, though, you might want to back off on some of that if you're putting it on a CD, you might regret it later. I do think it's no big deal in a pinch, but in the end, I think it's a lot like drum machines, not really the answer, better to do it the old fashioned way.

Macle (retired Nazi, mouth officially shut, moving to Brazil)
 
macle said:
Seriously, though, you might want to back off on some of that if you're putting it on a CD, you might regret it later
I don't use autotune. Your ears are shot.

Bye
 
A song just for me!? I'm honored. That's really good! I couldn't even tell, did you use it on this? No one would ever know. Amazing melismas. :D

macle
 
You've got a great voice!

I like the repeat effect that you use on the vocals. Interesting topic...

The recording sounds real good over here. That tamborine is going off! :)

Great job!
Glad that you are feeling better!
 
I love the cigarette line. Great song, great performance, great mix.

Jon
 
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chrisharris said:
Just for you, I spent the last 10 minutes recording another song on my page.

"JUST SAY NO TO AUTOTUNE"
www.nowhereradio.com/honestmango/singles

it's small...I know you're on a dialup.

:DPrint and press it!It's a hit!That does sound fun to play around with.LOL.I noticed you had a little "Hi Ho Stereo" action going on in there.;)
 
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