Kick drum: triggering? samples? drumagog?

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Hey,
OK I just listened to Tubedudes mix he's just posted in the mp3 forum.

http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=159211

And I've realised that I want to start having a play around with triggers etc.

So what can i do? I might not need triggers you see, this is what I don't know. All I want to do is have a nice kick sound as I don't have the time to spend finding the sweet spot for every band i record (due to time limits). So i figured using samples was the answer...

Do i need to use triggers, drum module to interface? Or are there free replacing programs I can use?

Also I'm looking for some free samples of kick drums, For rock music, So varients of thumps, smacks, clicks etc.

The other thing that's been bothering me is if i can find free software to replace the kick drum sound i have, what format does it need to be in to replace it? I'm very confused about how it all works...anybody care to enlighten me?

Anyway, I look forward to your replies. Thanks.
 
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If you go with Drumagog, you would insert it on a channel in your software. Just like you would a compressor. You select the sample that you want to use and presto, you have replaced your crappy sounding kick. You will have to play around with some controls, depending on how much bleed you have on the kick track, but it really is that simple.

Drumagog has a boat load of samples for download once you have registered your copy of the program. You will have more than enough to get started.

www.drumagog.com
 
Im using a PC with Cubase SX v2.

I've tried the Drumagog demo but i didnt like the kick drum samples that came with it, so i never got into it. I dont want to buy Drumagog as there are other things that my studio needs befrore drumagog.

Are there any freeware versions? Thanks for all your help.
 
i thought the drumagog trial i used was very hard to use. i had a bit of snare drum bleed in the track and no matter what kind of filtering or gating i did to the track drumagog would just go wild and add a ridiculous amount of hits to every beat. if you had a perfectly sterile track it would be good, but if theres anything coming even remotely close to the peaks of the bass drum you're screwed
 
I can insolate the kick track enough i recon, knowing in advance that I'd be using a freeware version of drumagog then i'd just build a cave/tunnel and just make sure NO sound would get in.

OK, i all i need i think is 1,Freeware version of drumagog 2,Good free kicksamples
 
treymonfauntre said:
i thought the drumagog trial i used was very hard to use. i had a bit of snare drum bleed in the track and no matter what kind of filtering or gating i did to the track drumagog would just go wild and add a ridiculous amount of hits to every beat. if you had a perfectly sterile track it would be good, but if theres anything coming even remotely close to the peaks of the bass drum you're screwed
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Drumagog is one of the best and most righteous plugins on the planet. To eliminate unwanted hits triggering the sample, you just go to Visual triggering mode and adjust the resolution & sensitivity sliders.

Resolution lets you control how close 2 hits can be together before it registers as two seperate hits. Sensitivity lets you gate out the quiet stuff so it doesn't trigger. It couldn't be simpler
 
Ok, we're not in dispute about how good drumagog, but are there any freeware versions of it? well not of it, but a program that does the same thing?
 
Drumagog only comes with a couple kicks in the demo but there are about 12 or 15 free kicks (plus snares and toms) that are available once you buy it. There eally is nothing that compares to drumagog. The isolation isn't an issue if you go in and set it up. (Unless you recorded the entire kit with 3 mics, You really need a mic on each individual drum that you want to replace)
 
Farview said:
Drumagog only comes with a couple kicks in the demo but there are about 12 or 15 free kicks (plus snares and toms) that are available once you buy it. There eally is nothing that compares to drumagog. The isolation isn't an issue if you go in and set it up. (Unless you recorded the entire kit with 3 mics, You really need a mic on each individual drum that you want to replace)
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Actually, I'll tell you guys a trick to try.
This should work.
If you happen to have some free time one day, and a set of triggers.

Hook a set of triggers up to your drumkit, and then plug them into your mixer instead of the mic's.

Instead of a "drumsound" the mic would normally deliver, the trigger will send a "soundspike", which you could then use Drumagog to replace the soundspike with a sample. It would be similar to playing an electric pad kit into a sequencer. This should work.

I use triggers for things like - If I'm mic'ing the kit, I plug them into the external key on my dbx compressor/gates, and the trigger controls when the gate opens and closes...so on my kick drum, instead of any stray low end opening the gate - the gate doesn't open until I strike the kicks.

The beauty of using the triggers instead of the mic's for recording on a PC is that it would free up your mic's from the drumkit to be used on other things.

Now, if it does work, You have to give me credit for suggesting it! :D



Tim
 
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yes, I agree, I have been searching for something like this and this is a great solution. the second link seems to be the best one. until I can afford drumagog!
 
grn said:
yes, I agree, I have been searching for something like this and this is a great solution. the second link seems to be the best one. until I can afford drumagog!
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Yeah I just looked at it too. It looks really good. Thanks for finding it!
 
Triggers

For live applications throw a trigger on the batter of the Kick and a good mic on
the front.If you have 18" close by you'll see how much difference it makes.
I'm not sure but I think you can only use Drummagogg only after the fact?
 
Bdrum said:
For live applications throw a trigger on the batter of the Kick and a good mic on
the front.If you have 18" close by you'll see how much difference it makes.
I'm not sure but I think you can only use Drummagogg only after the fact?
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I don't know, since I don't record on a PC.

That's why I was suggesting trying to record a trigger's audio spike on an audio track, and then seeing if you could use Drumagog to replace the audio spike.
 
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