Keep it to Myself

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jeffmaher said:
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Heard it during a nightmare. First master. Needs work. What do you hear...?
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I hear someone gave Knopfler a classical guitar... I hear the tiniest bit too much edge in the 2nd guitar that's down the left, it sits a little apart from the others in the mix because of the slight brittle edginess... the curve you had before its entrance was on the money... keep the viscous tones you had established with all the instruments

What a wonderful song; the chordal movement is classic, moody, dark, sentimental, yet leavened with contemporary tension/release. The interaction between the classical guitar melody and bass is really rich and inviting. I might consider pulling the strings back a little. Just a little. or round off their EQ.

Any chance you could send me a sample of that lonely monk shaker? I like it so much better than my own...

Can't wait to hear the final; you're serious, dude. Makes your other comments elsewhere carry all the much more weight than they already did. :)
 
What's a monk shaker??

One criticisms I got when I produced the first version was that I ripped-off "Autumn Leaves". Yeah...that's in there; but this one was composed and playing in my head when I dreamt the dream. [The other version is Queen meets Julio Igliasias...drums, harmony distorted guitars..a lot more angst]

Thanks for the heads-up. I can hear it, now that you mention it....the 2nd guit is as-recorded. The first guit was rounded out in the belly with a bit if EQ. Both are stereo mic'd. And guitar 1 has delay and verb...I started with a click and the melody on this one...a new approach. I know melody is the most important element...and by the time I usually get to it, I'm fatigued. On this one, I wanted the melody to stand rightious, alone, first. It had to be clean, right, and sounding good. Might make it a habit.

Not too crazy about the orchestra samples. I just got an old set of Miroslav Orchestra samples..but I can't get them to open, just yet, in my computer or on the platform...a file association puzzle. The grand piano is c 1999 Kerzweil K2000. My 24 bit synth was not cooperating...no audio out. I said a prayer, and it's working again. God is an electronics geek, too?? :^)

The bass is direct, through a c1994 Alesis guitar processor...'Blues Page" ...delay, verb and flange. Battling over whether to do it on upright, clean. Or maybe bowed contrabass...if I can find a good patch.

Does it suffer in the absense of hot guit-licks? :^) [Will Hut work for beers?]

I'm trying to restrain. Voice-over workin' music...maybe the second credit-roll in another 'B' film.

The dream that spurred the song was so wrenching that I couldn't talk about it for a while...hence the title. It was about my young daugher dying in my arms... she's fine, btw: one of those occasional parental brain traumas.

Thanks for the guidance! You rock!
 
jeffmaher said:
What's a monk shaker??

One criticisms I got when I produced the first version was that I ripped-off "Autumn Leaves". Yeah...that's in there; but this one was composed and playing in my head when I dreamt the dream. [The other version is Queen meets Julio Igliasias...drums, harmony distorted guitars..a lot more angst]

Thanks for the heads-up. I can hear it, now that you mention it....the 2nd guit is as-recorded. The first guit was rounded out in the belly with a bit if EQ. Both are stereo mic'd. And guitar 1 has delay and verb...I started with a click and the melody on this one...a new approach. I know melody is the most important element...and by the time I usually get to it, I'm fatigued. On this one, I wanted the melody to stand rightious, alone, first. It had to be clean, right, and sounding good. Might make it a habit.

Not too crazy about the orchestra samples. I just got an old set of Miroslav Orchestra samples..but I can't get them to open, just yet, in my computer or on the platform...a file association puzzle. The grand piano is c 1999 Kerzweil K2000. My 24 bit synth was not cooperating...no audio out. I said a prayer, and it's working again. God is an electronics geek, too?? :^)

The bass is direct, through a c1994 Alesis guitar processor...'Blues Page" ...delay, verb and flange. Battling over whether to do it on upright, clean. Or maybe bowed contrabass...if I can find a good patch.

Does it suffer in the absense of hot guit-licks? :^) [Will Hut work for beers?]

I'm trying to restrain. Voice-over workin' music...maybe the second credit-roll in another 'B' film.

The dream that spurred the song was so wrenching that I couldn't talk about it for a while...hence the title. It was about my young daugher dying in my arms... she's fine, btw: one of those occasional parental brain traumas.

Thanks for the guidance! You rock!
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Points:
1) A monk shaker is that wood block sounding thing you have in there, it happens at 0:18...
2) You're allowed to quote the classics in homage, IMHO. "Good writers borrow from the best; great writers steal outright." - Sam Seaborn :) :) Everything springs from something else in one way or another....
3) Strings with a gentler attack and less nasal, adenoid-like presence would serve you better, and bury them a little, I think they just need to be suggested.
4) Bowed contrabass might be cool, but don't get too crazy trying to find the sound. The sound you found in the first minute is where this song eats. The rest is potential clutter. OK, the piano isn't. :D
5) NO HOT GUITAR LICKS!!!
6) Now that I know what the song is about, it makes me ache; I have a 5-year old girl.
 
The monk shaker is a sample on my antique Kerzweil K2000. How would I go about giving it to you?

Record a click or two or a bunch on a high rez WAV audio file, and send it?

Kinda green at that stuff.
 
0.o

WOW

That song is VERY good. The tone you got out of the acoustic is amazing. The mood of the song is so sappy but strong! I can't even describe it. It's like bipolar in the middle. Sheesh, that was great. The only criticism is the bright acoustic panned to the left. Re-track it to match it a little better to the lead guitar.

Great
 
jeffmaher said:
The monk shaker is a sample on my antique Kerzweil K2000. How would I go about giving it to you?

Record a click or two or a bunch on a high rez WAV audio file, and send it?

Kinda green at that stuff.
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Even a 256k MP3 would be more than suitable..
 
beautifully recorded and played..and I think everyones going to be using monk shakers now...yeah shake that monk! :)
 
My only nit is that the left guitar is screechy in spots near the beginning and kind of gives me chills like nails on a chalkboard.

Other than that, it's a very nice listen. Good job.
 
I'd rather spank it. Arf..

I just uploaded the fixup....took edge off of Guit L and BFO [big freakin' orchestra]...and scootched some levels. Good enough for a Bolivian soap opera.

Monk shaker coming in a few. Put it here, on a yousendit link.....24/48 I'll spank it a few times.

The bi-polarity must be the mirror of the dream it accompanied.
 
Here's a 24/48WAV file d'load link...three hits with Kerz FX...three hits dry. Hope it's what you can use...if not, just tell me what you need.

http://www.yousendit.com/download/Z01OckhaYUl6NE94dnc9PQ



Thanks Gerg and Rami. Guess I'm safer without the sampled kits. :^)

And thx for the positive comments...nice to know I might be making progress.

BTW, LL...the guitar is a steel string Maton EBG 808TE. It tends to sound like a classical, with dead strings.
 
jeffmaher said:
Here's a 24/48WAV file d'load link...three hits with Kerz FX...three hits dry. Hope it's what you can use...if not, just tell me what you need.

http://www.yousendit.com/download/Z01OckhaYUl6NE94dnc9PQ



Thanks Gerg and Rami. Guess I'm safer without the sampled kits. :^)

And thx for the positive comments...nice to know I might be making progress.

BTW, LL...the guitar is a steel string Maton EBG 808TE. It tends to sound like a classical, with dead strings.
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I figured that out from the upper register, but it'd be cool tracked on a classical, yes?

Listening to the new one now, it's a lot more even... nothing jumps out anymore. Such a filmic sense to the piece... MUCH better with the stings deemphasized... there's wonder now, not so much bombast...

Very well done!!!

And thanks for the samples, I'll see how it works out! :)
 
I just now listened so i guess I got the 2nd version.

Very nice Jeff. Long live Dead Strings. I hate those kinds of dreams, love this song.

thanks for sharing.
 
What was the nightmare about??? A boat-hearse ride in the canals of Venice???:D
Some real serious musicianship here, Jeff. Great tune, no nits.

Joey :):):):)
 
Really, really nice.
I'm pretty primitive - string squeak gets to me.
I know all the reasons for retaining it but I'd try a deesser or something on it to reduce the distraction.
Monk Shakes - I had one of those - & broke it. I do have one of those cow bell & ball things - is that a Monk Banger?
Lovely piece.
 
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