Just curious as to why still analog??

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Seeker of Rock said:
2" functioning properly should sound like butter to your ears. Was it a Behringer Analog Pro 2" machine... :D :D :D
Hmmmm....2" I believe gets you well away from the "prosumer" market in which I reside. Just a hint, but it may not be the proper sound coming from that machine if it sounded harsh. You weren't sending tracks through a cheap board, maxing your i/o levels, or riding your high frequencies were you? ;)
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I'd say unless "Tim Walker" recorded to 2", hard disc and adat under the same engineer, outboard gear, mixing and similar circumstances, no one can compare accurately. There's too many variables here otherwise. It's like getting a monkey to oversee your recording project in a $100,000 studio and in another (more like in a garage) having Sir George Martin produce your tracks on a TASCAM 244 4 track cassette portastudio and then blaming the gear in the expenive studio for the poor sound. Of course it's about recording techinque, no doubt about it. However, a properly engineered recording session on 2" will still sound nicer, right off the tape than on anything else done under the same circumstances.

~Daniel
 
arjoll said:
What a concept. That would almost tempt me to buy a Behringer :D
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hey! hey! hey!

to all of you, Behringer bashers out there.
Now, you really hurting my feelings.
You guys, constantly bash Behringer due to your lack of knowledge and misunderstanding.
I am a proud owner of Behringer MX-8000 console. Yes, it is the fact, that using MX-8000 is like being a Captain of the Ship with 100s holes, perpetually drunk crew and full of rats. But with knowledge, experience, creative mind, strong command and dedication you can deal with it and You can make it across Atlantic.

Learn the basics, work hard, never give up ... and stop that baseless bashing of great product and its brand name.!!!!
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:D :p :D

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p.s. - Speaking of rats. As the whole 'ship of musical production' is sinking in the peacful nightmare of data-compressed mp3-audio files distribution ... - The Dirty RATs would be the only hope.
But, It looks like we've took care of rats for good before ringing The Departure Bell. So ???? .... as night falls, we are going down and don't even know it. Sweet dreams ;).
 
analog vs digital

Can anyone reading this who thinks digital is better because of convenience and clarity and all that other stuff please post some songs you have written and recorded digitally? I would like to hear what a person who puts technology and equipment before emotion and talent thinks music should sound like. Come on please let me hear your 100 percent crystal clear song that sounds like guitar center on a saturday at noon. (dads playing their version of every classic rock riff ever made while drummers solo through the entire song and hit 47 different shades of cymbals) I know that may sound mean, but thats all anyones music ever sounds like to me. And being crystal clear robs it of character even more.
 
planetorange said:
And being crystal clear robs it of character even more.
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I couldn't agree more .. At one time I had my cassette portastudio and also a 24bit digital multitracker. I was working on this simple tune (this was a few years ago) and recorded both to each machine under similar circumstances. Yes, the digital recorder sounded more "crystal clear", very "clinical" I'd like to add BUT what I was able to capture on tape (cassette) sounded sooo much nicer, not "clearer" mind you but NICER, more natural and well blended together - "cohesive" was the word used. There is more to music than "crystal clear". My tape recordings have CHARACTER that digital doesn't. Sure, there are those that can and do make fabulous recordings with digital but I'll say the same can be done better with Analog.

~Daniel
 
One other random thought: I think many of us were "hoodwinked" into getting into digital and sadly we were (consumers) at least partly responsible for the demise of analog. We were deceived in many ways like those stupid late night infomercials do. They pray on our weaknesses, make promises, make you feel like a dumb SOB if you don't get their product and we buy into the crap ... That's how I got into digital many moons ago ....

~Daniel
 
Wow Daniel! That analogy with infomercials is painful for some, but right on. Everyone likes to think they are above being taken in by that sort of thing. Being led astray is something that happens to other people. :)
 
Beck said:
Wow Daniel! That analogy with infomercials is painful for some, but right on. Everyone likes to think they are above being taken in by that sort of thing. Being led astray is something that happens to other people. :)
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Thanks Tim :)

Many people believe they have true "free will", that their choices are ultimately up to them. I take issue with that and say that "free will" doesn't really exist. Many have no idea how much of a "force" and the many of the pieces that make up society has on their lives. Human beings are easily manipulated and brainwashed, that's a fact. Sadly, many will deny this. I truly believe that digital, in the way we use it for recording, was bourne not out of the "advancement in audio recording" but out of something completely different than we lead ourselves to believe.

I used the infomercial analogy for I truly believe there are interesting (and disturbing) parallels to be noted for that and why we had bought into digital in the first place. There are so many similarities there that it takes some "digging" to see it all clearly. I don't mean the marketing aspect of it so much as the "reaction" of people, behaviours etc .....

~Daniel
 
cjacek said:
One other random thought: I think many of us were "hoodwinked" into getting into digital and sadly we were (consumers) at least partly responsible for the demise of analog. We were deceived in many ways like those stupid late night infomercials do. They pray on our weaknesses, make promises, make you feel like a dumb SOB if you don't get their product and we buy into the crap ... That's how I got into digital many moons ago ....

~Daniel
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Partly responsible? Consumers are fully responsible for the demise of analog just like the pros are responsible for the professional machines demise No one held a gun to their heads. The laugh here (Analog Only) is that if these machines were still available, no one here would buy one. The Otari 2 track R to R is still available but everyone just complains about how expensive it is blah blah.

The manufacturers have to sell a product and if there is no demand, then the product goes away. No one is "hoodwinked" into anything. There are like 20 people on this Analog Only board and like 5000 people on the other boards that record digitally. I don't hear them complaining about the sound. Digital is affordable to the guy/gal that wants to have fun and still be able to have a roof over their head and be able to feed their children. What's wrong with that? Digital is great for the ease of use. Switch it on and record. I do it all the time when I don't want to cleanheads, align, load tape and wait for rew, FF etc.
 
acorec said:
The laugh here (Analog Only) is that if these machines were still available, no one here would buy one....

No one is "hoodwinked" into anything. There are like 20 people on this Analog Only board and like 5000 people on the other boards that record digitally. I don't hear them complaining about the sound.
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Are you kidding? That's the first thing I ever saw when I first tuned in to this bbs and others before it - a deafening roar of cries for help from digital users. "It sounds bad" "Vocals sound thin" "How do I warm my tracks up?" The vast majority of users don't choose digital. They haven't made a choice because they didn't have one.

The 20 users, as you say, on this forum are but a small sampling of a global subculture of analog users. This is not occurring in a vacuum. It certainly is not confined to homerecording.com. Whether members of this particular forum would or wouldn't buy a 2" Studer is irrelevant, because the debate didn't start here and it doesn't end here. We all know that virtually all of the top studios in the world do have 2" Studers. However, I don't need a Studer for my purposes. Few home studios or project studios do.

The laugh is that the answer to many a newbie problem is right under their noses in the Analog section, which they will never see because it's tucked away in "Archives and Other." In this case, as it is in much of life, the road less traveled is the choice of the astute. The discriminating are never the masses. The masses fly like a flock of birds or school of fish - one brain among them.

Daniel is right-on with his analogy. I was there when the recording periodicals began pushing digital. Hoodwinked is the word. There was no more substance to those early digital testimonials as there is to Don Lapre and his "Greatest F**king Vitamin in the World." :D
 

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Beck said:
Are you kidding? That's the first thing I ever saw when I first tuned in to this bbs and others before it - a deafening roar of cries for help from digital users. "It sounds bad" "Vocals sound thin" "How do I warm my tracks up?" The vast majority of users don't choose digital. They haven't made a choice because they didn't have one.
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Oh, so you can't buy an 8-track on ebay for next to nothing? Mhm. No choice. right...
 
regebro said:
Oh, so you can't buy an 8-track on ebay for next to nothing? Mhm. No choice. right...
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I really feel silly stating the obvious at this point... :o

You have to know you have a choice before you can make one. People don't go searching for something they don't even know exists. Digital is running down the highway with red lights and siren -- no one can miss it. These days analog is something you find by chance. Most anyone under 30 is choosing between digital solutions. Analog isn't understood and isn't even being considered.
 
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Tim's views and responses reflect my own so no need to reply from my end.

~Daniel
 
planetorange said:
Can anyone reading this who thinks digital is better because of convenience and clarity and all that other stuff please post some songs you have written and recorded digitally?
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Note the lack of responses. why? Because nobody here matches the description "thinks digital is better".
 
regebro said:
Oh, so you can't buy an 8-track on ebay for next to nothing? Mhm. No choice. right...
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Actually, yes - that IS right. Meaning, NO ...YOU CAN NOT buy an 8-track analog machine on e-bay for next to nothing. Well, you may get lucky ..., by accident, if the seller has no idea what the unit is and simply has no needs nor want to do any info search...or simply does not care.
You can buy 8-track analog machine in fair or need-some-work condition for so-so inexpansive.... still will cost you, well $200 ...or more (most likely more), plus you will have to fix it. It is not cheap and also very hard to find unit in near new/new condition.

But I can tell you for sure what you CAN buy for next-to-nothing on e-bay - it is the whole load of various digital recording gear! Cheap as chicken poo, including industry standard gear (Tascam DA-30mkII - is my favorite example of all, I'd say ...heh heh) :D (do I even need to mention here non-gear gear: computer hardware/software ... arhhhhhhhhh :p , you can really load the track with this crap just for giving up a few 12-pack of BUD, and then, please drive away - and the further you go - the better :D )

/later
 
Beck said:
Are you kidding? That's the first thing I ever saw when I first tuned in to this bbs and others before it - a deafening roar of cries for help from digital users. "It sounds bad" "Vocals sound thin" "How do I warm my tracks up?"
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Most hobbyists/home-recordists are using low-grade digital that sounds just awful - THAT'S where the complaints come from, not because of any inherent analog superiority..........

Low-grade analog sounds just as crappy as low-grade digital, IMO....
 
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Hi Bruce.

I am afraid you are sadly mistaken. Even the cheap home studio Analog recorders like the tascam 38 and 388,s hell for that matter even the 22-4 series sounds better than any and I mean any digital converters that are out today.
Anyone that cant hear how much better any of those recorders sound to any of the high end or low end digital recording setups needs to look into having their hearing checked. And I dont say that to be funny.

Digital? Been there done that and wont get fooled again.

Besides we are in the Analog forum. Key words Bruce ANALOG FORUM

And why do you Digital boys even come down here?
 
Herm said:
And why do you Digital boys even come down here?
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Only to keep the religous zealots like Beck from going off the deep-end of the rhetoric pool.... I'm starting to think he's the Osama Bin Laden of the analog world......... :rolleyes:

I really don't understand why this whole analog thing is like a religion with some people... use whatever technology gives you the sound you want fer chris'sakes!

Hell if a client wants analog mixdown - I send it to reel, if they want digital they get digital -- why the hell is it one or the other with you guys?

It seems rather pointless to poo-poo one recording format over another, especially considering they are both viable at the high-end of the scale.

And I personally disagree with you about low-grade analog -- to my ears it sounds just as awful (in a different way) as cheap digital converters do.
 
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