Just a couple questions for those beat producers...

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Well, I have an artist that wants a sample cd. So, how should I go about doing this, he said he only needs about a minute and a half of each beat for a sample, to get a feel for 'em.

How should I do this so it's safe on my part???

--Any input is helpful.

 

[zed32]

just rap or talk over em. that way he can hear the beat and hear how it might sound with vocals, and he wouldnt be able to just rip off the beat.

 

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just rap or talk over em. that way he can hear the beat and hear how it might sound with vocals, and he wouldnt be able to just rip off the beat.

Alright, I'll hit the samples with my trademark vocal input. (Strict Productions).. how often should I put it in there?.. lets say a 1 minute beat.. i dun wanna ruin it by putting that in there through the whole thing, so lets say once every 20 seconds or so?

is there any other options?

 

[zed32]

just say really slow "Hiiiiii myyyy naaaame issss Reeee-Laaaapse frooom Strrrict Proooooducctionnnnssss thissss isss myyyy beeeeeeeeeeaatt" and stretch it over 1 minute. you don't even have to put it up loud or anything, just enough so you can hear it so he doesn't steal your beat.

but seriously other than just putting some vocals over it, theres not much else to do. you can cut out the audio or set off a noise tone every few seconds, but then he won't be able to get a good feel for the beat. put fart noises in it or something.

 

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just say really slow "Hiiiiii myyyy naaaame issss Reeee-Laaaapse frooom Strrrict Proooooducctionnnnssss thissss isss myyyy beeeeeeeeeeaatt" and stretch it over 1 minute. you don't even have to put it up loud or anything, just enough so you can hear it so he doesn't steal your beat.

but seriously other than just putting some vocals over it, theres not much else to do. you can cut out the audio or set off a noise tone every few seconds, but then he won't be able to get a good feel for the beat. put fart noises in it or something.

Alright, I'll do something like that.. Sounds good to me, haha. Thanks much man.

 

[Fieva]

Actually you really don't even need to do that. What you do is make 2 audio CDs, one for you, one for him. One CD (yours) is high bit rate mp3 (128kbps or higher) which sounds beautiful. Play that for him, but LEAVE WITH IT. Make another CD with LOW bit rate MP3. (I would use a program called CDex for this, it's free) Almost to where it sounds like crap. Give him that CD after you've shown him how it really sounds. Just tell him that you only give low quality sample CDs because of possible beat jacking. Also if he has the internet, make a soundclick account and refer him there to listen to the high quality at any time.

Fiev.

 

[bknot1]

Actually you really don't even need to do that. What you do is make 2 audio CDs, one for you, one for him. One CD (yours) is high bit rate mp3 (128kbps or higher) which sounds beautiful. Play that for him, but LEAVE WITH IT. Make another CD with LOW bit rate MP3. (I would use a program called CDex for this, it's free) Almost to where it sounds like crap. Give him that CD after you've shown him how it really sounds. Just tell him that you only give low quality sample CDs because of possible beat jacking. Also if he has the internet, make a soundclick account and refer him there to listen to the high quality at any time.

Fiev.

brilliant :cheers:

 

[Mindset]

Actually you really don't even need to do that. What you do is make 2 audio CDs, one for you, one for him. One CD (yours) is high bit rate mp3 (128kbps or higher) which sounds beautiful. Play that for him, but LEAVE WITH IT. Make another CD with LOW bit rate MP3. (I would use a program called CDex for this, it's free) Almost to where it sounds like crap. Give him that CD after you've shown him how it really sounds. Just tell him that you only give low quality sample CDs because of possible beat jacking. Also if he has the internet, make a soundclick account and refer him there to listen to the high quality at any time.

Fiev.

lol that's a good idea. I probably wouldn't have left him/her with any CD's at all unless I KNOW the person.

 

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lol that's a good idea. I probably wouldn't have left him/her with any CD's at all unless I KNOW the person.

Well, I know him personally. But, I've never 'hung' out with him, or really know his personality, so I think I'll take that bitrate advice. w00t. thanks.

 

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Actually you really don't even need to do that. What you do is make 2 audio CDs, one for you, one for him. One CD (yours) is high bit rate mp3 (128kbps or higher) which sounds beautiful. Play that for him, but LEAVE WITH IT. Make another CD with LOW bit rate MP3. (I would use a program called CDex for this, it's free) Almost to where it sounds like crap. Give him that CD after you've shown him how it really sounds. Just tell him that you only give low quality sample CDs because of possible beat jacking. Also if he has the internet, make a soundclick account and refer him there to listen to the high quality at any time.

Fiev.

That's a crazy good idea. I'll do that, thanks!.. hell I might even do both



Much appreciated.

 

[Fieva]

Vocal tags "sometimes" takes focus away from the beat. If the potential buyer becomes unfocused and unattentive on the beat/product, you probably lost your customer.

 

[jmarques]

Why are you worrying so much?

Just make the cd with a pile of 20 second clips of your work.

Let me just say something that probably been said a thousand times already.
If you are really worried about him stealing beats from you then you shouldn't probably be working with this guy.

Remember the law is on you're side. Chances are you could prove he is using/sampling your song. He wouldn't any orignal recordings to back up his position, except for the samples he stole. You would win easily in a court battle.

Just remember to back up your songs on some reliable media. So you can pull it out just in case you ever have too.

 

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Why are you worrying so much?

Just make the cd with a pile of 20 second clips of your work.

Let me just say something that probably been said a thousand times already.
If you are really worried about him stealing beats from you then you shouldn't probably be working with this guy.

Remember the law is on you're side. Chances are you could prove he is using/sampling your song. He wouldn't any orignal recordings to back up his position, except for the samples he stole. You would win easily in a court battle.

Just remember to back up your songs on some reliable media. So you can pull it out just in case you ever have too.

While this may be true, I'd rather avoid dealing with court and what not.

I'll do the bitrate idea.

Thanks for the advice, though.

 

[wakeupbomb]

I haven't been on here for a while, but I wanted to jump in on this.

Why don't you just copyright your beat...or beat cd...and then give him clips that are as long as you want. You're protected because your shit's registered with the government. I mean, it's like 35 bucks to copyright something.

That's just my 2 cents.

 

[Mindset]

I haven't been on here for a while, but I wanted to jump in on this.

Why don't you just copyright your beat...or beat cd...and then give him clips that are as long as you want. You're protected because your shit's registered with the government. I mean, it's like 35 bucks to copyright something.

That's just my 2 cents.

the price went up to $45 I think....

Just because you copyright your material, doesn't mean much these days unless your doing bigger better things. Even then, there's still a lot of people who copy anyways. To protect myself, I don't give them jack shit usually... They come to my location, I let them listen to them, they pick whatever, I write up a contract right then and their, money is exchanged, and they sign. Then, there's nothing they can do to mess with your work. Or put vox over the beat like suggested.

 

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the price went up to $45 I think....

Just because you copyright your material, doesn't mean much these days unless your doing bigger better things. Even then, there's still a lot of people who copy anyways. To protect myself, I don't give them jack shit usually... They come to my location, I let them listen to them, they pick whatever, I write up a contract right then and their, money is exchanged, and they sign. Then, there's nothing they can do to mess with your work. Or put vox over the beat like suggested.

Although a good way to look at things, I can almost guarantee none of my stuff is even comparable to yours. So it would be a waste of a trip to the artist to come to my place and check out my stuff.

I think I'll just start up a soundclick page, and throw it up to him to check out what I got. Although I don't have pretty much 'anything', I don't know what to think, though.

Bro, you produce alot, how do you get inspiration? how do you get idea's?

I've tried, and tried, and tried. I just can't seem to get the flow of things. I can get MAD Kick & Snare/Clap & hihat flows goin with a nice bassline added, that's tight as hell, but when it comes to adding any aditional "synths' or anything of that nature. I'm lost

I don't have a huge selection, because I just use fruity loops, buta s you said there is a good collection of stuff if I knew what I was doing.

But, as a loss, I don't know a whole lot about the program, the ups the downs and how to make something do what.

Please, answer me these questions and let me know what I can do to improve my beat production. This is how blah my beats are, when they are 'done' on my part.Usually I throw them to another producer to spice 'em up, like Noddy did my other beat.

It's blank.

It's weak.

It's worthless.

What can _I_ do, that'll spice this up, so next time I come across this same situation, as it is very common, that I can work it out on my own.

Also, I know, it's extremely repetitive, that is again, because I don't know what I'm doing.

Help.

Please.

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[bknot1]

Why are you worrying so much?

Just make the cd with a pile of 20 second clips of your work.

Let me just say something that probably been said a thousand times already.
If you are really worried about him stealing beats from you then you shouldn't probably be working with this guy.

Remember the law is on you're side. Chances are you could prove he is using/sampling your song. He wouldn't any orignal recordings to back up his position, except for the samples he stole. You would win easily in a court battle.

Just remember to back up your songs on some reliable media. So you can pull it out just in case you ever have too.

where did you see that you can just copyright 20 sec of a song.,.. that will not hold a grain of salt in court..you must have the whole song copywritten in order to prove someone stole your melody to your beat that they heard..20 secs cannt justify that..

but to be safe i will make sure..for everyones benefit..

 

[bknot1]

as i promised....

here is the email reply from the copyright office

As your registration will only extend to the matter you submit with your application, you should send a complete version of the music you wish to register.

We will accept sheet music or a tape- or CD recording. You may submit your material on one or more CD/DVDs in any non-proprietary format such as MP3, WMA or WAV. However, you should label your disc accordingly so that the examiner will know what equipment to use.

rg

**************IMPORTANT NOTE**************
As of July 1, 2006, most filing fees are $45 per application.
For other fees, please see:
http://www.copyright.gov/docs/fees.html


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Copyright Office
Library of Congress
101 Independence Ave SE
Washington DC 20559
(202) 707-3000
www.copyright.gov
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[Mindset]

Although a good way to look at things, I can almost guarantee none of my stuff is even comparable to yours. So it would be a waste of a trip to the artist to come to my place and check out my stuff.

I think I'll just start up a soundclick page, and throw it up to him to check out what I got. Although I don't have pretty much 'anything', I don't know what to think, though.

Bro, you produce alot, how do you get inspiration? how do you get idea's?

I've tried, and tried, and tried. I just can't seem to get the flow of things. I can get MAD Kick & Snare/Clap & hihat flows goin with a nice bassline added, that's tight as hell, but when it comes to adding any aditional "synths' or anything of that nature. I'm lost

I don't have a huge selection, because I just use fruity loops, buta s you said there is a good collection of stuff if I knew what I was doing.

But, as a loss, I don't know a whole lot about the program, the ups the downs and how to make something do what.

Please, answer me these questions and let me know what I can do to improve my beat production. This is how blah my beats are, when they are 'done' on my part.Usually I throw them to another producer to spice 'em up, like Noddy did my other beat.

It's blank.

It's weak.

It's worthless.

What can _I_ do, that'll spice this up, so next time I come across this same situation, as it is very common, that I can work it out on my own.

Also, I know, it's extremely repetitive, that is again, because I don't know what I'm doing.

Help.

Please.

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It takes time. I know when I make a beat, I usually lace maybe 2-3 keys down on a guitar, and go over back on top of that a few dozen times, and lace more noise on top of that, and do that to the rest of whatever instruments I'll use. Its easier for me instead of playing the whole piece at once. For example (I don't know names of keys), I'll press the last 2 key's of an 88 key-board once every 4 bars. Seems pretty plain and not musical right... well then I'll come in with whatever for 2 bars... then it becomes xxxxxx then silence then xx... then I fill in with various instruments. Eventually a beat would take 40-80 tracks when finished. watch your volume levels etc too. I tend to take about half of those tracks, and make them almost non-audible to the ear. You barely notice it.

Anyways, my ideas come from looking at every day life. Like "a car flashes by as the rain hits the tires through the cracks in the road/ driving motionless like time stopped at the lights by the tracks frozen like it's 30 below/"

Then there's whatever commercial stuff that's particularly real easy to come up with.

I get inspired because for 1 I love music. for two. I"m getting a helicopter. Period.

 

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It takes time. I know when I make a beat, I usually lace maybe 2-3 keys down on a guitar, and go over back on top of that a few dozen times, and lace more noise on top of that, and do that to the rest of whatever instruments I'll use. Its easier for me instead of playing the whole piece at once. For example (I don't know names of keys), I'll press the last 2 key's of an 88 key-board once every 4 bars. Seems pretty plain and not musical right... well then I'll come in with whatever for 2 bars... then it becomes xxxxxx then silence then xx... then I fill in with various instruments. Eventually a beat would take 40-80 tracks when finished. watch your volume levels etc too. I tend to take about half of those tracks, and make them almost non-audible to the ear. You barely notice it.

Anyways, my ideas come from looking at every day life. Like "a car flashes by as the rain hits the tires through the cracks in the road/ driving motionless like time stopped at the lights by the tracks frozen like it's 30 below/"

Then there's whatever commercial stuff that's particularly real easy to come up with.

I get inspired because for 1 I love music. for two. I"m getting a helicopter. Period.

I figured as much time was of the essence. But, is there anything I can do to that beat in particular, to make it any better? I want some advice on _that_ beat in general. So I can work off of it and use it for other productions (the idea).

I'm awaiting Noddy to send me the final flp file of our collab'd beat, but he hasn't sent it to me.........which I needed it about 3 days ago to send out that sample cd..........But, I'll be patient....to an extent.. never the less, any input is helpful. Thanks again bro.

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