Joe Meek vs DMP3

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velvetcrush said:
Music Industry 101 people...its a fucking sham. Artists get fucked, fans get fucked, business people (which you all sound like to me), make alot of fucking money. Cheers.
Maybe the music industry's all messed up (not that that would justify unlicensed use of music), but weren't we talking about software? How many developer superstars are throwing a bone to the paparazzi about how they want people to pirate their software? I'm a developer (and some other things), and I'm seriously disillusioned with our intellectual property laws in a lot of situations these days, but ask yourself what things would be like without them -- best to vote with your vote, and your software choice -- if you have a distaste for that company, why would you want their code touching your music? I would crap if it came to pass that some evilco somewhere had some sort of moral high ground over me when it came to *my* songs because I improperly used their software -- keep it clean and your stuff will sound better (even if it doesn't sound as good, but I think it can).
 
Antichef, well said mate. If I had software that worked as well as waves, made by a less strongarm piss fuck company, I would certainy use it instead...any ideas. " Get a job" - harsh words...I actually work my ass off for one the the biggest companies in the world - and most vile...to pay for the little equipment I can afford.
 
If everyone who had Waves installed on their PC actually paid for it... they could make the same profit selling it for $9.99... Ever think of that?? :mad:
 
velvetcrush said:
Antichef, well said mate. If I had software that worked as well as waves, made by a less strongarm piss fuck company, I would certainy use it instead...any ideas. " Get a job" - harsh words...I actually work my ass off for one the the biggest companies in the world - and most vile...to pay for the little equipment I can afford.


There are multitudes of engineers that don't use Waves. If you were running ptle I'd say go for the Massey plugs. Why don't you see if this works for you http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=102121 should give you something to play with until you can afford to buy some good/inexpensive plugs.

Here are some simple ones, but still good and very usable(Massey's are even more generic looking yet phenominal). http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php
 
Will definitely give those links a looking at. Mofo, sure mate, even at 199$ for waves, which would make it accessible to the working class, they would make more money. GREED~!
 
Just don't take stuff that isn't yours. Its not a hard concept and you don't need to get fancy to understand it. If you're surprised to hear that on this BBS, maybe you're the one who'se gotten out of touch.
 
velvetcrush said:

Yea...that, or paying the developers (which charge out the ass) for making the software. You don't understand how much work it takes to even make a simple plug-in, much less, one that sounds good.
 
velvetcrush said:
I actually work my ass off for one the the biggest companies in the world - and most vile...to pay for the little equipment I can afford.
Can't you get the Waves with your Wal Mart staff discount? :confused:
 
MOFO Pro said:
If everyone who had Waves installed on their PC actually paid for it... they could make the same profit selling it for $9.99... Ever think of that?? :mad:

If they had sold it for $9.99 in the first place, nobody would steal it. Ever think about that? :D

But seriously, the reason they charge so much is to make it seem more "exclusive". In essence, they charge an exorbitant price to make their software seem more important and professional. The result is a much higher piracy rate among non-professionals, but they made that choice with full knowledge that they were pricing it out of the range of non-professionals. They didn't care about those sales enough to charge a reasonable price, so they don't deserve those sales.

Ideally, though, they should lose those sales to a competitor, not to piracy. By supporting their more reasonably-priced competition, you're adding money into their R&D, which will eventually make them a more viable competitor to sleazy operations like Waves. Eventually, this will mean that Waves won't be able to screw people, and that would be a real improvement for everyone. :)

That said, you have to be somewhat disingenuous to claim that piracy is lost revenue. The reality is that it gets people locked into the software, and then later, when they have the money to pay for it, they generally do. By contrast, if they didn't have access to the cracked versions, they probably would not have ended up buying it in the end.

In fact, piracy, at least when viewed over the long haul, actually increases sales of software, provided you ignore throwaway software like games. There have been numerous studies to show that piracy also increases sales of music, and that putting the text of books online increases book sales. Of course, the industry (a few rare gems like Baen Books notwithstanding) will never admit that there's any validity to those studies, and will keep spouting their distorted "lost sales" figures, but it's pretty much a load of BS.

Case in point: nearly a quarter of all Windows installs are pirated. Guess why Windows is the most popular OS on the planet. Guess how Microsoft killed OS/2 and other competition. One of the key ingredients was that Windows was pirated at a higher rate. It has been repeatedly noted that if pirated Windows had not been available in developing countries, they would have ended up using something like Linux or OS/2, and Windows' control over the market would have been significantly weakened. Thus, in effect, they have benefitted greatly from broad piracy.

Most popular software for music composition: Finale. Guess how highly that is pirated. But most of those pirated copies are among students who then end up teaching music, and ta-da, their school buys a copy of the software. In fact, many of the more intelligent companies in that space (NOT the manufacturer of Finale) have actually started giving away 90-day or 1-year licenses of their software for music students for precisely this reason. They realized that the children are our future, so to speak....

I'm not saying piracy is justified among professionals. It isn't. But don't be fooled into thinking these companies don't know that piracy increases their sales. IMHO, most companies add things like iLok to stop piracy because they know that piracy has already built up their installed base and that if they can make it suddenly hard to pirate their software, all of those locked-in users will be forced to buy it because it would be too hard to change to someone else's software.
 
Wow!

Meek vs DMP3 to Illegal Software Pirating and the music industry's "corrupt" demeanor.

Wow! Quite a palate of tastes here!
 
dgatwood said:
If they had sold it for $9.99 in the first place, nobody would steal it. Ever think about that? :D
Often... but mostly in the context of Microsoft...
 
I pirated both my DMP3 and my Meek. That Joe Meek guy has enough money to last the rest of his life. :p If only all those blacklisted hollywood communist sympathizers had been successful in brainwashing the nation in the 50's through TV, we wouldn't have to put up with capitolism...... right velvet elvis?
 
Dogman said:
Yeah, if he doesn't spend anything, $1 will last.... :D

I'm just curious why a dead man would need money in the first place.
 
Don't tell me you guys thought hookers and beer doesn't exist in the afterlife.
 
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